“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
On May 19 Mark Hurd announced Hp’s results for the second fiscal quarter to April 30th 2009 and, surprise surprise, the results were down on last quarter. Revenue slipped three percent to $27.4bn, and most importantly for this article Q2 net profit was only $1.7bn compared with $2.1bn the previous year.
Almost immediately, and probably just as predictable, HP’s CEO Mark Hurd announced that yet another 6000 HP employees would lose their jobs. That’s six thousand living, breathing, educated, tax and mortgage paying, children raising, men and woman, cast out into a world racked with recession and rapidly rising unemployment, because HP only made $1.7bn nett profit in the last twelve weeks, folks.
A prime example of the type of corporate behavior we have become used to, or at least been afflicted with for the time being, and Mark Hurd is a masterful exponent of.
For the sake of pragmatism there’s something we need to acknowledge. CEO’s like Mark Hurd are bound by a legal mandate to maximize returns to shareholders, in fact corporate law dictates that corporations maximize profits for shareholders. When you look at things from that perspective only, and giving credit where credit is due, Mark Hurd’s strong fiscal management is probably to be commended, the Q2 results could have been a lot worse. There is little doubting that HP is a much stronger company fiscally than it was before Mark Hurd’s tenure. But that’s all, and it’s not good enough.
I believe that this law of shareholder primacy, and the perpetrators that put shareholder returns ahead, and usually to the exclusion, of any civic responsibility whatsoever, is the root cause of the current global economic crisis. As a consequence it nearly undermined our western nations economic, and strategic, security, and our way of life. It needs to stop.
Lets face it, we all like to see our investments perform well, but many of us are smart enough to understand that more corporate profit is generated through the efforts of employees than by the capital of shareholders, we’re increasingly disgusted at the way employees are being treated in the name of profit, and some of us are not afraid to express our opinions.
Now, before I get lambasted from pillar to post for being a disgruntled ex HP employee, let me tell you that I’m not. My tenure with HP served me well, unlike some of the people I was, supposedly, responsible for. I’m not claiming anything more than a mediocre contribution to HP, and I’m now happy to be gone, running my own business, where I actually can make and execute decisions. We’ve employed several people in the past three months. I earn more, work less than I did at HP, and I travel business class. Hardly anything to be disgruntled about.
My fondest memories of the place go back to the pre-merger Compaq days, and the very early stages of the Compaq HP merger, when HP was still regarded as a top company to work for, and had some semblance of morality. It was exciting, vibrant, friendly, and we still had some degree of autonomy as managers. As the cost cutting that coincided with Mark Hurd’s arrival kicked in, and jobs started to go in their tens of thousands, either gone or moved offshore, I must confess to being suckered into all that "there’s no such thing as job security", "this is not a democracy", "if you don’t like it there’s the door" rubbish that comes with believing in the whole shareholder primacy travesty. Slowly, perhaps a little too slowly, I began to get the sense that we were just seeing a series of logical decisions that only added up to insanity. I realized that believing all that was naive and stupid, there was some seriously questionable stuff going on. Only problem was you couldn’t question it. I stopped caring for HP, or it’s Customers, a long time before I left. I don’t think I was alone.
So why are we putting the boot into Mark Hurd, or HP then?
Well, we could just as easily target IBM or a plethora of other companies laying off people right now. But, HP is not struggling, quite the contrary, HP is a highly profitable company sitting on cash reserves of $13.0bn having made $3.7bn net profit in the past two quarters, which is supposedly justification for cutting the salaries of the entire workforce, and putting off 6000 people, headed up by the $42 million per year man, the master perpetrator of the shareholder primacy travesty, CEO Mark Hurd.
“It is necessary that people work together in unison toward common objectives and avoid working at cross purposes at all levels if the ultimate in efficiency and achievement is to be obtained.”
…Dave Packard
The founding fathers of HP would be turning in their graves if they could see what their company has become under Mark Hurd. Sure, I agree that there was a strong need for fiscal reform when Mark Hurd came along but I don’t see why HP had to be turned into a black hearted, ugly beast who’s own mother wouldn’t recognize it. The strong fiscal discipline has come at the cost of HP’s heart, it’s inventiveness, creativity, and energy, and it’s soul , the HP shared values, the HP way.
Let’s take a look at some of these still published and much flaunted (and by that I mean rammed down the employee’s throats every six months through compulsory training modules) HP shared values. Here’s my commentary, feel free to contribute yours, keep it factual.
- Passion for customers
- We put our customers first in everything we do.
No you don’t. Nothing could be further from the truth (oh, except Mark Hurds 20% pay cut that is). Profit to shareholders comes first in Mark Hurd’s HP. I’d guess that there are people at the coal face who are struggling to uphold this value but are drowning with a lack of resource. A situation that’s only going to get worse with another 6000 people to go.
- Uncompromising integrity
- We are open, honest and direct in our dealings.
Is that right? Then perhaps Mark Hurd can answer some questions?
- How come, after being prominent in the top ten companies listed in The Business Ethics 100 Best Corporate Citizens list from 2000 – 2006, HP disappeared from the list entirely in 2007?
- Is it open honest and direct to stand up and pronounce to the world that you were taking a 20% pay cut, attempting to portray yourself as the magnanimous corporate leader you’re not, when it actually amounted to a mere 0.68% of your $42.5 million dollar package for 2008?
- Is it open honest and direct to stand up and pronounce to the world in Q1 this year that cutting the salaries of the entire workforce by 5% would save 20,000 jobs, when the reality is that you are about halfway through the 24,600 job cuts from the EDS acquisition, and now you’ve added 6000 more? That’s 18,300 left to go then is it?
- Trust and respect for individuals
- We work together to create a culture of inclusion built on trust, respect and dignity for all.
Oh really? Then why is there anecdotal suggestion on this site that alleges one of Mark Hurd’s henchmen, Gary Budzinski, is waging a fear campaign against employees who, in their countries, have a democratic and legal right to vote yes or no in regards to whether you can reduce their salaries, and where any retribution is illegal, referring to them as class A or class B citizens and threatening consequences in their performance reviews? I bet Mark Hurd is pleased the video of that speech was pulled as quickly as it was eh? I’d hate to see that go viral.
- Commitment to employees
- We demonstrate our commitment to employees by promoting and rewarding based on performance and by creating a work environment that reflects our values.
Absolute rubbish, and it raises perhaps the most pertinent questions.
- Why then did HP literally disappear off the Fortune Magazine top 100 companies to work for list in 2004, after being a regular for years. Why has HP never regained it’s place on that list?
- Why then have I never seen a single word of concern, from Mark Hurd, for the very real damage he has brought to tens of thousands of people’s lives as a result of his actions?
- Why then has there been a systemic reduction, and erosion of employee real wages, benefits, and working conditions since Mark Hurd arrived? And why is he being paid so much to do it?
- Why are people loosing their jobs regardless of whether times are good or bad?
- Why aren’t people remunerated immediately they are promoted into new roles, and why don’t they receive that remuneration for more responsibility even when the remuneration review occurs?
- Why are you systematically replacing all the accumulated skill and experience with inexperienced, underpaid, of more often than not, mediocre staff?
Oh, and don’t throw us the old "internal surveys provide a more accurate view of the company than scattered anecdotes and reveal a satisfied work force" line like Mark Hurd did here. The HP Voice of The Workforce survey is at best a once in a year chore, and at worst a carefully crafted set of questions where the data is aggregated in such a way that if you ran it in a concentration camp you’d be saying the inmates are happy and think they’re living in a resort.
I could go on, but I’ll leave that to this blog’s contributors.
So, what’s the point of all this then?
It’s about jobs. It about raising the popular voice, to a shout. To demand employment in our own countries; an equitable balance between employee treatment and shareholder returns; job security; decent wages and benefits; collective bargaining and union representation in the workplace; and an end to the shifting of US, Australian, Canadian and European work offshore.
Right now, with our countries deeply in debt, caused by the whole premise of shareholder primacy, facing the prospect that we, our children, and their children will be paying that debt for generations to come, from tax revenue generated from jobs in our own countries. I believe we have the right to demand jobs from companies like HP, if we don’t then I would argue that HP doesn’t have the right to consume the earth’s resource’s, or market it’s products in our countries.
If Mark Hurd is to continue making people unemployed, if he is moving any jobs offshore right now, then he is part of the problem.

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It’s its, dude.
So ABSOLUTELY true! I'm a 25+-yr employee with HP. At this point, it isn't about my pay (although it would at least by nice to keep up with the standard of living….rub a lamp); it's about being underappreciated. I venture to guess that most, if not all, employees (below Sr Mgmt level) feel disrespected, unappreciated and unvalued. And, it's not all just for shareholder profits; it's about lining Mark Hurd's pockets.
How does the HP bonus system work? Well, most people are eligible for Variable Performance Bonus (VPB) which (providing the planets align correctly) and you AND your division AND HP perform to some non-disclosed targets, can pay out a typically single figure percentage of your salary as a bonus.
Senior people are eligible for a different scheme, Pay For Results (PfR), which apparently can pay out 15-20%. Executives have further bonus schemes.
The company's argument is that senior people have more responsibility and should therefore be better rewarded with higher bonuses.
It's a bit scary, but your numbers are a bit out. According to HP's Proxy Statement, Hurd received $30m in 2009 (down from $42m in 2008). His salary was about $1.2m, so for 'exceeding expectations' he actually received 25 times his salary in total.
As an HP (former EDS) employee who received an “Exceeds Expectation” rating in my recent FPR I ask myself this question:
Sure Mark Hurd received ONLY about $24M USD for 2009, which is about $20M USD short of 2008; however his salary is actually about $1.65M so effectively for “exceeding Expectations” in 2009 he receives 14.5 times his salary )14.5 X $1.65M) as a bonus………
I DID NOT.
How does the HP bonus system work then ? when two seperate employees, effectively receiving the same level in FPR, get such a different percentage of bonus ?
HMMM
Oops, sorry, I've always been a bit handicapped in the spelling dept.
Another great post (which I've only just seen) but please correct the spelling of “loose/loosing” to “lose/losing” throughout your post lest you undermine it's credibility.
Sorry!
Not about to get better an overwhelming percentage of HP employees are unhappy and would leave if offered an other job. The problem is that most of them have worked there for so many years that they don't know any better. AND they are unemployable by any other organization (all they know is Dilbertan bureaucracy). The old farts, the bureaucrats, the losers are stuck. The real assets will go. But HP does not value employees and do not see it this way… oh! and by the way the folks who review the voice of the workforce results are the same who screwed up the situation anyway… do you think they'll address the real issues and fire themselves?
Like your voice Damian, you hit the nail.
Right now they have thrown out another WFR for Europe to scrape out the bastards they missed in the previous turn.
When the VOW were explained this year and the results for reward and personal development were very low we got the wonderful explanation from the company.
Rewards – “Well, you know, people are never satisfied, always want more.” On top of that a little smile.
Development – “A common misunderstandning is that people thinks that sending people to training-courses and education is the same as development, it is not how we see it. You should develop through your daily work and challanges not going on training courses.” Explain this to our customers when we tell them that we stay ahead of the competition.
Live well!
I see that someone posted an article appearing at The Street on the other HP article, this was only part of it, the whole article is at…
http://breakoutperformance.blogspot.com/2009/09/h-p-hurds-pay-troubling.html
Also, check out one from the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/technology/business-computing/23hewlett.html?_r=1
As Mark Hurd enjoys his 40+ Million dollar compensation package, his cash cow Legacy EDS employees (A derogatory term we can’t shake) are suffering under a massive pay cut which has brutally impacted them. Ranging from 15 to 45% pay cuts, top talent is jumping ship as fast as possible. I wonder if Mark Hurd has any clue how this will hurt HP in the long run as he is playing tennis with some of his board member cronies at HP. He is probably playing at a club were membership costs more than one of his unfortunate employees makes in a year. While at the same time his abused employees are worrying about making the next month’s mortgage payment or how they can afford college for their children. The impact of his actions will have a long term negative effect and is destroying what used to be a vibrant and wonderful place to work.
HP announced yesterday that Marc Andreessen was joining the Board of Directors immediately. Don’t know if he’ll just be a “yes man” from the article…
“Prior to joining Andreessen Horowitz and Ning, Andreessen co-founded and served as chairman of the board of directors of Opsware Inc. Before that he was chief technology officer of America Online Inc. and was a co-founder of Netscape Communications Corporation, serving in various positions, including chief technology officer and executive vice president of products.
Andreessen is best known as the co-author of Mosaic, the first widely used web browser. He is currently a member of the board of directors of San Jose-based eBay Inc. (NASDAQ:EBAY) and Palo Alto-based Facebook Inc.”
The guy obviously has connections, just hope it isn’t more of the good ole boys club!
And Ann Livermore is #6 out of the top 25 paid women in the corporate world.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/fortune/0909/gallery.women_highest_pay.fortune/6.html
Mark Hurd is #22 to 25 highest paid men @ Fortune
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/fortune/0909/gallery.women_men_highest_pay.fortune/22.html
Also I wrote a piece for the American Labor Day earlier this week @ http://www.unionsocialmedia.org/profiles/blogs/the-state-of-workers-at-labor
Congrats to Damian on over 3,600 followers on Twitter!
You really have a problem when the IT leadership has a all member staff meeting and says our goal is to have IT without People. What a joke.
Interesting news on the continuing HP saga . . . .
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d003aa06-44c5-11de-82d6-00144feabdc0.html
http://wallstreetpit.com/9857-hewlett-packard-ceo-cfo-sell-68-million-shares
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQ_OIxkYqPGoqo9rCk3ENETanvhgD9ABURIG0
http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/article_77d9ecf5-6449-549c-8aa4-2ce8f5ebf911.html
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/HP-Warns-Worried-EDS-Workers-Dont-Go-to-Media-53188707.html
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/08/hp_ceo_mark_hur_1.html;jsessionid=0D40RGRYFF3NJQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN
Ethics and HP? Read the last comment on mark hurd’s break fast at stanford law, it was his malcious intent to bias those young lawyers who help many victims of corporate malice.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/06/22/hpq-mark-hurd-live-from-stanford-directors-college/?mod=wsjcrmain
Ben
Received and email this morning from another colleague that Stefan Hansen, hired in September 2006 as the Vice President of the North & Central Hub of EDS has left. I assumed during the EDS OS strike in Germany that he would leave either before the integration into HP or sometime thereafter.
I finally found the problem with Mark Hurd. I hacked into his brain(it runs linux oddly enough) and ran the following:
mhurd@brain:~$ man "Ethical Behavior For HP Executives"My results?
No manual entry for Ethical Behavior For HP ExecutivesEarly tests of my Twitter bot seem encouraging. Now just to vary the senders, keep tweet rate to a sane amount. Enough to generate some interest, but not so much that it just becomes noise.
Still requires some work on the tweets to search for so the bot replies to people and not job agency bots.
Spreadin’ the word about Hurd
Probably a good idea to link to the article, as opposed to the home page (if you’re not already) as I intend to post about some other topics as well as the continuing HP saga.
Your wish ist my command. You are my follow friday.
And let’s start a thread about the confusing vacation time loss that occurs Jan 1 2010. I don’t think there is any clear explanation of this change. And talking to HR left our team rep completely lost. Anyone have any input?
Wanted to post this at WSJ.com but it reveals one’s name. I don’t think the HP hounds would like an employee saying anything remotely negative about the company.
So I’ll post it here:
Good Question: How Has EDS Helped H-P?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125054255699338061.html#articleTabs%3Dcomments
Comment:
“How Has EDS Helped H-P?
Well, by “cutting” costs as the article noted, revenue from new and ongoing contracts have fewer and fewer off-setting expenses…in the form of employee wages and benefits. Various web sites are replete with examples of how employee costs are being cut through WFR’s, and pay/benefits cuts. [some of the reports cite interesting approaches, like creating new job codes in HP to map from EDS codes, and then setting experienced people at entry-level classifications and wages--sometimes resulting in 10-50% cuts in pay]
These services are not immediately deliverable, like a hardware device. But revenue streams during the building or maintaining of the services over time. One thing to watch is whether HP can deliver, or continue to deliver, on contractual obligations and SLA’s for the near and long term.
Since services can include very creative work on an ongoing basis, it will remain to be seen whether HP can retain or attract the best and the brightest–or even moderately competent–tech workers to fulfill the contracts.
As the economy improves, and the fear factor fades, expect greater turnover on existing services contracts (and all that such churn entails).
In the meantime, however, shareholders and the top executives continue enjoy increased value and bonuses. Employees continue to suffer WFR’s, pay and benefit cuts.
And the clock keeps ticking on new and existing service contracts.
Absolutly, and the market winds are starting to blow…
Check out this post on Yahoo Finance.
In short…
read more here
In EDS in the UK everyone has been given their new HP job codes. Many of them are wrong and Mark Hurds HP is saying that they are fixed with no process of appeal for at least 12 months.
The plan was for EDS payscales to be brought in line with HP ones for September, that has now been pushed back to November because now HP payscales are being re-worked. Call me cynical but I think the reason for the delay is because EDS payscales in the UK were lower than the HP ones already and Mark Hurd doesn’t want us to miss out on his paycut frenzy so he’s bringing the HP scales down even lower.
Everything points to forced pay-cuts in the UK later this year, they are banking on the rank and file just bending over and taking it. For me it will be the moment we will all be tested. Do we give in to fear, take the path of least resistance and give Mark what he wants or do we stand up to be counted and resign and bring HP UK to its knees with constructive dismissal claims?
Well, in the UK HP/EDS cannot legally reduce your salary without your individual consent, hence the reason we were all asked individually to take the 5% pay cut last month (love to know how many people said ‘yes’). They can do what they want with pay scales but they still cannot legally reduce your salary without your consent.
If they REALLY wanted to force a pay cut my understanding is that they could, by terminating contracts on the basis of an unresolvable dispute and re-employing us all on new terms and conditions. It would leave them open to unfair dismissal claims and has been referred to as the ‘nuclear option’ by HR people. It wouldn’t do much for goodwill either.
There isn’t any goodwill left. The forced option is definitely on the table, question is will they have the guts to do it ?
I’d say we all HP and EDS stand up and bring Mark Hurds HP to it knees. Along with a storm of lawsuits to help make sure they dont get up again ….
Well a storm of lawsuits might be easier said than done as Mark Hurds concept of ethics is to behave just marginally within the law. Again, I would strongly suggest trial by public opinion using social media.
The only people that win with the lawsuits are the lawyers. HP will tie up all of the lawsuits in court for years. The attorneys handling the lawsuit over unpaid sales commission want 40% of everything HP has to pay out. And if the employees don’t win the lawsuit they still have to pay their attorney’s fees.
HP’s biggest enemy is the media . . .
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/HP-Warns-Worried-EDS-Workers-Dont-Go-to-Media-53188707.html
As a current employee of HP I see the behavior of all employees slowly bringing this company to its knees. Employees are slow to respond to customers, purposely providing incorrect information, passing the buck, and they generally don’t care if the customer is taken care of or not. Customers are getting sick and tired of it. Mark Hurd has his head in the sand if he thinks customers don’t read about what is going on inside HP and if he thinks customers don’t see how the employees are reacting to his unethical behavior and exploitation of the HP workforce. The intimidation of employees and arrogance of upper management within HP is something I have never seen before.
I want to know what board of directors thinks about him. Do they condone his behavior? Why haven’t they booted him out like they did Carly when they realized she was taking the company down the wrong path? Is anyone thinking about the effect Mark Hurd will have on this company long-term? HP will never recover from what he has done. The new people they’ve hired to replace some of the people that have been laid off are now starting to leave, despite the economy, because they were fed up with the way they were being treated. It didn’t take long for them to figure it out either. Now HP is having issues trying to get seasoned sales people to come and work for them because of their reputation of not paying sales commissions. In this terrible economy how many companies are exerpiencing attrition? Not many. But HP is.
Hurd continues to preach about employee incentive for performance but when they perform and meet the unattainable goals he sets, HE STILL DOESN’T PAY THEM!!!!
As an employee it really feels like Mark Hurd just resents having to pay ANYONE working for “his” company. HP is like a sweat shop where you are expected to work 60 hours a week, sacrificing time away from your family, so you can tell people you work for HP. And if you are not satisified with your wages you are told that “you should just feel fortunate to have a job”. And “you should be thankful that HP allows you work for them”.
At one sales meeting a manager was actually scolding the sales force for not hitting their goal. He said “We’re HP. All we have to do is show up.” “Why can’t you close deals?”
And what is the Omega tool being used for anyway? According to Omega, many sales people were showing a LIABILITY for several hundred throusand dollars . . . this means they OWE HP money back for overpaid commission. Now this happened at the beginning of the fiscal year when quotas had not even been set. I’m sure the first quarter earnings statement looked better since the entire sales force owed HP money instead of showing commission that would have been paid out if the systems were accurate. But I don’t understand how a sales rep can have a liability of $585,000 when they earn less than $100,000 at 100% of quota.
Someone please explain this to me and while you’re at it, please tell me why the SEC isn’t looking at this. The Omega system has been showing inaccurate liabilities for sales reps for years, since Hurd took over. Doesn’t this have an effect on HP’s profit/earnings statement they publish every quarter? Is Hurd using the Omega tool to boost the bottom line reported to the shareholders? Is this how he meets his “numbers” so he can get those big bonuses?
As for the HP network, it totally sucks. The tools don’t work and when do they are slow and inaccurate. When you click on a link you have a 50% chance of getting a server time out or error message.
Seems like every product we ship out these days has a defective part or malfunctions and has to be replaced.
Our inventory levels are at an all time low, to lower costs, of course, while our customer experience extended lead times on IT equipment badly needed to run their businesses. HP doesn’t care.
I bought an HP laptop about two years ago and it just died one day. Found out that it was one of the defective models (there are severl) so I called HP to get it repaired. They told me it was no longer covered under the extended warranty they put in place for the defective models, even though HP NEVER sent out notifications to customer who bought the models that were defective. I now have a $500 paperweight. I’d buy a Dell but due to HP cutting my salary and refusing to pay my commission, I can’t afford it.
Any idea why Hurd and some of the others are selling all of their stock? Could it be because he knew the stock price would fall drastically once the media found out about HP owing back taxes?
http://wallstreetpit.com/9857-hewlett-packard-ceo-cfo-sell-68-million-shares
And why does HP owe BACK TAXES?! http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d003aa06-44c5-11de-82d6-00144feabdc0.html
Is HP going to end up being another Enron? It certainly looks that way.
Many long term employees (> 20 years of ‘HP’ service) no longer have ANY trust in the upper layers of HP management, EDS is not being singled out! This is not going to change and the affects likely are irreversible. Fear now is the main and only tool management has to keep the troops in line. This phenomenon of disrespect to employees is based on Hurd’s demonstrated activities the past 3 years and in my opinion falls solely on the belief that ethical/moral behavior equals “is it Legal?”, if it is legal it must be ethical/moral” and the consequences of this can be discussed by his successor after he is done pillaging from the short term gains. Here is the latest EDS news; http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/HP-Warns-Worried-EDS-Workers-Dont-Go-to-Media-53188707.html
Dead right! I’m an old time HP’er. Hurd & Mott have created a souless he’ll which makes sub par products. I can’t wait until I get laid off and until that day I’ll be working my own projects.
How do we start up a twitter campaign
That’s a damn good question and probably answered better in a full post, but in short this is what I recommend;
Get yourself a Twitter account
Build your Twitter followers – users that are interested in the same subject matter as you – by following them initially. Twitter etiquette is that many of these people will follow you in return.
Tweet regularly, but keep it real. Tweeting HP Sucks every 5 minutes wont achieve anything. A good approach is to follow the 3 E’s of Tweeting (thanks to Jay Berkowitz TenGoldenRules.com) Educate, Enlighten, Entertain.
Take advantage that Twitter gives you the facility to get stuff out there faster than you can say "jeez I hope this doesn’t get out" (take Iran for example). Remember, these guys are committing what is typically regarded as socially immoral, unfair, repugnant, and bereft of honor behavior, and they are being paid a fortune to do it. You can bet your bottom dollar that they don’t want the word getting out. You can also bet that there are dissenting voices on the board of directors who are just waiting for the leverage of public opinion to confront Mark Hurd on his actions.
Some useful, and free Twitter utilities are;
Tweetdeck is your personal browser for staying in touch with what’s happening now, connecting you with your contacts across Twitter, Facebook and more. I use this to monitor tweets on subjects, build my followers, and tweet.
Buzzom is a fantastic little Twitter utility that enables you to build relevant followers fast. I’ve just started using it myself.
I hope that helps and I might publish a post that elaborates on this soon – I am a bit of a lazy writer though
Andy Mattes must be living on the moon. The only thing that would stop EDSERs talking to the media now is if Mark Hurd gets the boot.
Do they think we are stupid ? It is not about restructuring EDS for the future it is all about Hurds bonus!!!!
Just for Fun (and a good Laugh ) you should Google “Andy Mattes” and see where he was before and when HP hired him …
Maybe its not true, but allegedly in the UK Mark Hurds HP are going to cut short term sick pay from 100% to 75%.
Again this is a measure that will backfire. How many sick days are taken by EDSERs because they have been working lots of extra hours and weekends – The solution is to not work extra hours.
Yet again proof that Mark Hurd does not understand the service industry.
Why anyone would ever work more hours than you agreed to is beyond me. You should know by now that working more hours is no way to get ahead – it simply doesn’t work. Every hour you work over and above those that you were contracted to work contributes to the “ghost workforce” of labor that Mark Hurd gets for free. Stop it.
Easy to say, Damian, but I know people who are working insane hours who are afraid to say no, because they don’t want to be the first on a project to step out of line. Mind you, I never stepped out of line, but I still got WFR’d, as will some of them if the call for more heads comes.
I agree, it’s really easy for me to say this but I do understand the predicament these people find themselves in, I’ve been there myself and it wasn’t until I realized a long time ago that I had no “life” outside HP that I began to change my priorities and my vision of the future. Unfortunately the situation wont change until people reevaluate how much of their time, and their life, they are prepared to compromise in return for what HP is paying them.
Who in his/her right mind would ever consider working for HP?
And if you’re already there, for how long will you tolerate the abuse? Kicked to the ground, stomped on and bleeding, hoping the pain and further abuse will just stop…what are you thinking?
Thugs depend upon expected human reactions in the face of intimidation. Just lie still and do whatever they want.
Just when you think to yourself and tell your loved ones that: “As bad as this is, it couldn’t possibly get any worse?”
Wrong.
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“What is the rationale for the employee to stay or perform this year? Is [an employee] going to give 100% this year for the company so he can get a 25% pay cut next year too? This is where HP say, ‘oh, but you have a job’.
“What is this going to do to employee morale at the particular accounts? Could this backfire and have solid employees either leave or take an ‘I don’t [care]‘ attitude? If this happens, it could backfire so much that HP will not be performing up to the obligations of their account and could, in the long run, lose the account.”
A further e-mail said the cuts are piling up for loyal staff. “My husband, who is not an executive, has involuntarily received a 21% cut in pay this year, and from September another permanent 16.4%.”
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/08/10/237253/eds-staff-face-life-changing-pay-cuts.htm
“…some employees will receive pay reductions while others will benefit from salary increases…”
Bull. I haven’t heard of one person who got a salary increase from this.
I’d like to hear from anyone who gets a pay increase, how about we put the word out?
Supposedly, EDS management are ‘disputing’ these paycuts but claim there are thousands of them being challenged, so they don’t know how soon they will be getting any answers back from HP. Anyone else know of this “dispute”?
Yes, my dispute was taken up the the head of our division… It was shut down since HP is not reviewing any of them…
Been scanning the news past and current about HP-EDS layoffs and pay cuts both in the U.S. and Europe. Regarding cuts: if demoralized or unable-to-live-on-these-lower-wages employees leave, then HP doesn’t have to pay severance. If they find new jobs, HP doesn’t have to pay severance. Also, in most states, they don’t have to compensate you for accrued vacation time. And if you DO stick around for the inevitable layoff, if you do get a severance package, it will be at the slashed final pay rate.
But, as much as that helps HP, that’s not even their major goal. They really want to be able to say with a straight face that the only place they could find workers/talent/etc. is in other (third world) countries with significantly lower prevailing wages.
When congress asks, they’ll say: “We just couldn’t find any local talent. We tried…we posted openings?! We just had to look elsewhere.”
Don’t know about, you but I’ve blacklisted HP in my new business, of course having Apple products available made that a no brainer anyway
And, if it’s true that outgoing people sign an agreement that includes wording stating that the person is not eligible to EVER work for HP again…then that lends even more credence to the assertion that they are reducing the willing and/or able IT workforce in the U.S. and Europe so that they are “justified” in off-shoring everything.
Hey, maybe they should have wording that states that outgoing employees may NEVER work at any tech company again, in any part of world?! Kind of like a non-compete clause on steroids!
I can confirm it’s true for WFRs in Singapore at least.
mmmh..so what’s the latest news with HP singapore?
AFAIK, yet another round of re-structuring has been announced and it seems that this time bigger fishes will die. After this round, it is very likely that upper management would be replaced with Mark compliant individuals unlikely to know CMYK from YMCA.
It’s a matter of time before HP fails – putting cost (and connections – Foxconn? Fox Cons!) before quality, both in terms of people and of CM partners we choose, is really intellectually challenging.
The HP we know is no more. Remember that first SoBC video?
Mark has learned from Carly’s mistake, dug in and fortified himself so that the board cannot simply fire him.
Sadly, its true…
Severance? I’m afraid HP is about to do away with those constantly shrinking severance packages . . . visit this link, see posting # 206
http://www.siliconbeat.com/2009/01/20/2522/
“Severance is a nicety, it is not required. In the current economic conditions we cannot afford to give niceties”…
This is an interesting New development:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&sid=adDzt7DwficE
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