HP’s CEO, Mark Hurd announced, on the 20th February that he would be implementing a company wide cut in pay for all employees. Starting with a reduction in his own salary by 20%, followed by senior executives who would take a drop between ten and fifteen percent, regular employees 5 percent and exempt employees 2.5 percent. All this in reaction to a 13.5 percent fall in the company’s first quarter profit.
Now, before I’m accused of making disparaging comments about HP let me just state that I have no issue with HP products and services which are top notch, largely due to the quality of HP people (their most valuable asset). This post is my opinion only, and one I’m entitled to.
Let’s look at this in a little more detail. On face value it would seem that Mark Hurd’s decision was an expedient one and he’s backed it up with the kind of corporate eloquence (read smoke and mirrors) that we’ve become used to from him, it’s anything but that, to me it smacks of opportunism, pandering to investors and market analysts, and cold hard manipulation at a time when we need CEO’s to have the courage to do the exact opposite, and, when we are demanding as much social accountability for their action as they have to investors and Wall Street (now a dirty word) for profit.
Since when has making 1.9 Billion dollars nett profit in a little over 12 weeks been a legitimate excuse to cut the salaries of hundreds of thousands of people world wide? I would suggest never in a million years, Mark Hurd has revealed his true colors with this one.
First we need to put Mark Hurd’s 20% salary cut into perspective, remember he is only taking a cut to his base salary ($1,450,000) which amounts to a $290,000 drop. Seems quite reasonable until you examine the following, publicly available, information.
- Mark Hurd’s total compensation in 2008 was $42,514,524
- His compensation in fiscal year 2007 was $25,253,461 – so, by my calculations a 68% increase in the total package from 2007 to 2008.
- He also exercised $10 million worth of stock options and had $15.7 million worth of HP stock vest during the 2008 period
- His compensation package includes approximately $738,000 worth of additional compensation;
- Personal and home security – $256,000
- Personal use of HP’s corporate jet – $135,734 (you have to love that don’t you?)
- $71,000 in mortgage subsidy he is guaranteed for relocation expenses under his employment agreement.
So, the question is; what’s the significance of his stated 20% cut in base salary? I would suggest next to nothing.
You would have to assume that this situation is not much different for the senior executives who are taking smaller cuts
- Ann M. Livermore, Executive Vice President, Technology Solutions Group. Total compensation of $15,675,274 in 2007, $20,551,493 in 2008, a 31% increase in total compensation. For her a 15% cut in base pay ($820,000) would be $123,000 or 0.59 % of her total package.
- R. Todd Bradley, Executive Vice President, Personal Systems Group. Total Compensation of $7,674,083 in 2007, $21,058,092 in 2008, a 174% increase in total compensation. For him a 15% cut in base pay ($820,000) would be $123,000 or 0.58% of his total package.
- Vyomesh I. Joshi, Executive Vice President, Imaging and Printing Group. Total compensation of $12,032,204 in 2007, $21,804,726 in 2008, an 81% increase in total compensation. For him a 15% cut in base pay ($820,000) would be $123,000 or 0.56% of his total package
- Randall D. Mott, Executive Vice President and Chief Information Officer. Total compensation of $7,390,948 in 2007, $28,293,134 in 2008, a 282% increase in total compensation. For him a 15% cut in base pay ($690,000) would be $103,500 or 0.36% of his total package.
- Catherine A. Lesjak, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. total compensation of $3,741,201 in 2007, $5,552,356 in 2008, a 48% increase in total compensation. Fo her a 15% cut in base pay ($625,000) would be $93,750 or 1.68% of her total package.
Put bluntly, 6 people at the top of the HP pyramid accounted for $142,774,325 in compensation in 2008 alone. That is an obscene amount of money.
To be fair, and before we contrast this with the HP employee, we have to acknowledge that HP has, under Mark Hurd’s leadership and at least fiscally, performed very well. In his three years on the job sales have increased by $30 billion and profits have tripled. 2008 was a stellar year for the company. HP is now the world’s biggest computer manufacturer. But, at what cost?
Let’s look at the plight of the HP employee. The first thing we have to consider is that, unlike Mark Hurd, a 5% cut in salary is in fact a 5% cut in total compensation. Someone on a salary of $65,000 would be losing $3250 per year before tax, or $270.00 per month. Some would say this is a small price to pay for keeping your job but I think holding that gun to an employee’s head is outright exploitation and can not be condoned, especially when they have already been exploited enough for the sake of high profit margins and Mark Hurd’s stellar career performance. Ask a majority of HP employees about their current remuneration and you will be lifting a rock that you don’t want to look under, specifically;
- Employees have seen the real value of their salaries diminishing with the rising cost of living since Mark Hurd came on board and even under his predecessor. There are no automatic adjustments for cost of living in HP’s yearly remuneration review (even though the smoke and mirrors will be employed amazingly to suggest HP is paying market competitive salaries).
- With few exceptions most HP employees have not had a pay rise, or anything other than a measly token gesture, in the past three years despite their workload, and the company profit, increasing significantly.
- HP Employees who are promoted into new roles with higher accountability, more work and more stress do not receive an immediate remuneration increase in line with the new position. Instead they have to wait for the yearly review which more often than not sees them bitterly disappointed. If you are employed into a new role in February you will wait until the end of the year for your remuneration review, the company will exploit you for nine months at least prior to that and then your remuneration will be determined by a simple algorithm on a spreadsheet that coldly spits out a figure you will definitely be unhappy with.
- The much touted company performance bonus has the bar set just high enough that it’s only had two significant payouts in more than 5 years. It never makes up for the HP employee’s loss in real wages.
Am I the only one who thinks it’s time for this to stop? Aren’t the employees the public face of the company, the ones who deliver the services, the ingenious inventors and developers?
In his address to the company Mark Hurd said;
In an environment like this, there’s no margin for error and no tolerance for inaction. To give you a little insight into my world, after we report our earnings, we engage in a dialogue with analysts and investors. They’re going to ask what we’re doing in light of the current environment to right-size these businesses.
Well Mark Hurd, we’ve already had an insight into your $42 million dollar per anum, private use of the corporate jet, overpaid to a vulgar extreme world and frankly, something smells funny. In case you hadn’t noticed it the whole world is in recession. Governments all over the globe, and especially yours, are going into massive deficit to try and kick start their economies and preserve jobs. They are providing handouts of cash to stimulate spending and help us climb the ladder out of recession, the problem is people like you, and your MBA textbook approach to an “environment like this” (one I bet you’ve never seen), your totally myopic view that it’s all about analysts and investors, are simultaneously lowering the ladder down from the top. I’d suggest that there’s no longer any tolerance for the type of action you are taking.
The way I see it you have two possible answers to the question about right-sizing the business.
- The courageous option, the one that takes guts. You stand up and tell the investors “you know what, we’ve had an amazing period of growth, we’ve reaped billions of dollars profit out of the economy over the past few years, we’ve delivered a strong performance to our shareholders, and we’ve become the biggest computer company on the planet, but now it’s time to show some respect, to our employees, the lifeblood of the company, and the society’s around the world, who have allowed us the privilege to operate and become the company we are. To ensure that no HP employee finds his, or her, way on to the unemployment lines, has their home foreclosed, or has their capacity to contribute to the economy diminished in any way, as a result of company action, until such time as the economic cycle turns for the better. We know we can afford it (hell, we just made 1.9 billion profit in 12 weeks), it will just mean lowering our profit expectations for a short time.”
- The cowardly option, the one that puts you squarely at the bottom with the worst of the worst, your snout in the trough, and your pants down around your ankles. You cut headcount and reduce salaries.
Mr Hurd also said in his address;
I’ll be asked by investors, “Where’s the job action, where are you taking out this roughly, 20,000 positions?” Well, I don’t want to do that.
We’ll of course not, since you’ve come on board you’ve taken over 40,000 people out of the HP workforce already (and I’m sure that doesn’t account for the thousands of jobs you moved offshore, or the thousands of long term contractors you’ve shafted), you’re still right in the middle of taking 24,600 of those positions out from the EDS merger you started in September 2008. The HP workforce reduction machine rolls on, you probably don’t even have another 20,000 you can drop right now. More smoke and mirrors.
I’m willing to bet though that, 12 weeks from now, when the recession that will get worse before it gets better is biting harder into your massive profits (and your bonus), you’ll be marching those people out the door.
I wouldn’t be worried about questions about headcount from analysts and investors if I was you, I’d be more concerned about the astute investor who asks you “what are you going to do when your employees stand up and say enough is enough?” People power has toppled Governments, a disgruntled employee base has the potential to bring HP to it’s knees in days, surely that time bomb’s ticking.

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Interesting web site:
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm?tkr=HPQ&pg=4
Make sure you also click on the Show Me My CEO’s Factsheet as well.
The proof is in the pudding, as they always say… I have noticed that here at HP, it is the good old boys club… If you are well liked, you get a promotion and if not, even if you make you superiors (is position only) look good and get the product line successful, you get rewarded… WITH A PROMOTION AND RAISE… Otherwise you may get a reward; but is it a pat on the back, as no other form is now acceptable.
Moral is the lowest of any company I have ever seen, even as an ex peregrine employee, and when in bankruptcy (guess to my friends, they all know who I am now…. Hmmm … Oh Well)
And in my current and recent positions I can see how they are cutting corners in R&D that will have extreme customer related fallout in SW products in the very near future….
However; The bottom line is I suspect the upper management here at HP will get full bonuses this year, while all other will have another year of no bonus and no pay raises… In my case the last year I was at Peregrine was the last pay raise I received, as ever time there is an end of year review, they move me to a new manager, that has no idea of my past, and the previous manager has not released the HR record… and the most frustrating part, is that until they do I cannot comment on the reviews, until after the period is closed…. So not only am I disenfranchised, but I cannot make my voice heard..
On the VOW survey, I always add comments and ask for them to call me.. I put my full name, phone number and employee number, and I never get a response… so for my fellow HPers, don’t be afraid of it. We are being driven to participate, as your manager is rated on the % of responses by his group, and that is where the pressure is coming from; but they do go into the black whole…
I think that there are a lot of assumptions as to what managers do and don’t get rated for. As a former manager I can tell you that there was little more than lip service applied to the VOW results, frankly I didn’t care. I never got rated on the VOW completion, in fact I can’t say that I ever had a manager complete the FPR for me in any way close to what’s supposed to happen. In fact, if I didn’t write it myself it didn’t get done.
The reality is that by the time the data is aggregated at the top it’s always massaged in such a way that the executive can take some banal approach to the usual yada yada and then continue to shaft you with impunity.
Never assume that your line manager, or their manager for that matter, has any influence, they don’t. Hell, country general managers are little more than ineffectual talking heads. They are actually no better off than you in this situation but are in the unenviable position of having to execute some of this stuff.
Hi ,
All the FPR pre-defined, Who are very close to mangers they will get onsite, bonus and band change in one year.
Mangers do dirty politics t, IN HP those mangers get awards promotations every year .
Regards
Lost@HP.
I think in all fairness you need to be careful about the assumptions you make about managers. Are you talking Executives or line managers?
My experience, having been a manager at HP for several years, is that there are no such awards or promotions, in fact, getting promoted means more stress, longer hours, no pay rise.
Damien,
I concur about the promotion without increment thing. 5 years and 2 promotions later…I can still recall the pittance of the annual increment I got…it was never even 3%..usually it hovers around 1% to 1.5%
But the workload increase was natural of course.
Found an interesting website that is a competitor for ‘big brother’ (aka government) called littlesis.org that tracks important people and their relationships.
I looked up Hurd, nothing interesting but what a shocker there isn’t any listing for him contributing to any causes! I’m sure he can’t afford it with his base salary cut of 20%.
You can sign up and edit/add to his profile I was going to add a link to this story but chickened out!!
Word is that they are half way through their employee survey time frame, and LESS THAN 20% HAVE COMPLETED IT!!!
I think rather then tell them things they won’t care about, just don’t do the survey – that will show your opinion more than anything you can say that they will ignore anyways!!!
By the way, I just bought 3 new computers for a kids club I help at, and they all have “Dell” on them – where the ones I bought last year had a 2 letter name on them.
Prediction: They will blame it on summer vacation season, extend the deadline and tell managers that if they don’t get at least n% responses then they get no bonus.
I disagree – if large numbers do not complete Voice of the Workforce then they COULD assume that for most people all’s well , which it most certainly isn’t. So, complete the survey and be honest in response to the open questions. They will no doubt not respond to the big stuff but it will make them aware of the groundswell of opinion.
My prediction: there will be a mysterious ‘technical fault’ with the system that ‘has prevented people completing VoW’ and it will remain open for 7-10 days beyond the scheduled close, along with nagging emails from ‘smiling Ann’ et al to complete it.
I concur. No response will definitely be interpreted as “all ok” and the appropriate spin (lies) will be applied.
Answer the survey truthfully, hopefully the result will speak for itself, but don’t hold your breath.
I answered the survey – gave honest answers, wonder if I will get WFR’D! Everyone should have their say, and tell the HP sharks how we really feel!
Me too. I also made it plain that the only way out of this mess now is if Mark Hurd is removed. There is too much bad feeling about; 99% of the company don’t give a toss any more.
So did I.
In no uncertain terms, I told them that they needed to stop sending jobs oversees, and to start giving a damn about their customers and employees.
I filled mine in and I’m encouraging others to vent their spleen too. At the end you are asked what the best thing is about working for HP. A team mate said “I don’t know I’ve only been with them 12 months and I haven’t seen anything good yet”
Have your say and then have a good laugh when Joe Eazor responds to the concerns raised by telling us in minute detail about how he is goingto fix a minor process problem in a minor account but fails to acknowledge, let alone address, the real issue that we have a spineless set of Execs that are too scared of Hurd to tell him that he is an autocratic, grasping, opportunist and he should go.
The job roles of President, Chairman & CEO are defined separately with good reason. No-one should be allowed to hold all three positions in a company of any size.
I’ve been in meetings where it has been very clearly communicated that we have to help the disenfranchised leave the company. “it’s not good for HP and it’s not good for them” & “this is the way we do business now, these people have to move on and get over the HP Way, and we have to help them”.
It’s so very sad that a minority can force this on a majority simply because they’re in positions of power.
HP sucks!
That’s why I believe that Mark Hurd is a dishonest scum bag.
This quote is directly off the HP.com website under Business Ethics
So, I think that the pressure should be on to re-write the HP values, or live up to them. It’s so easy to call this Guy on the rouse.
What’s sad is that the majority is not standing up and being counted.
We need a voice, lots of employees may have bad memories of the Trade Unions of old, but they are our only hope of at least making a some sort of stand, and being heard. I urge all of you to think about joining UNITE or PCS, but do it soon before it’s to late for us all. If we do nothing this time next year, we could be looking back on 2009 and wondering why our jobs went, and we let them do it. We must bring them to the table, and make them treat us with justice and fairness!
Felix.
Damian, just wanted to let you know that some coworkers and I are placing this blog URL on the voice of the work force opinion section about working at HP… please keep it up in case ANYONE at hp really read the feedback
Thanks. Make sure you link to the post as opposed to the home page.I’ll be posting some non HP related material soon.
Here’s two short links for incorporating into VoW, Twitter, facebook, whatever…
http://bit.ly/NGWVl
http://bit.ly/sKpQ
on a funny note. I was in a store earlier and convinced a shopper not to buy the HP printer he had in his hands.. Dude bought a Canon after our little chat
I don’t think HP actually makes the printers.
I beleive Canon makes them for HP
Whoever makes them I decided, upon hearing that HP make about $8k per gallon on printer ink, their cash cow, to reduce my consumption by 90%. It’s actually quite easy to do.
I just can’t wait to see what kind of lame excuse they pose on Q4, they clearly wanted people to leave for greener pastures, no job cuts required at all, nice move! the support center in Costa Rica is half the people it used to be and those left (including me) are running low on fuel already, it’s becoming obvious for the customers that we just can’t keep up with the workload, any other company outsourcing their business here is paying much more than HP. When will the HP recession end???
And still they (Mark Hurd et al) continue to drive down moral in HP when you just think it couldnt go any lower. The announcements of the Q3 results still show healthy profits but that isnt enough for that pig Hurd who only cares about one thing: his own salary and well being.
As for the UK & EMEA management, they need to grow a pair of balls and challenge the decisions coming out from the US. Afterall, is HP not meant to be an environment where decisions can be challenged, without fear of retribution? Yeah, right…. anyone challenging Mark Hurd would get a one way ticket to the job centre!!!
On the project that I work on NOT ONE single HP employee is happy working for the company any longer. This is across the board and at varying levels… some HP’ers who have been there for a couple of years to some who have 20+ years service. A once great company is going down the pan unchallenged, and that’s a shame.
I look forward to also seeing how they plan to claw back the 5% cut which everyone in the UK got a universal thumbs down from everyone I have spoken to in the UK.
Now where is that link that Mr Hurd sent out for the Voice of the Workforce survey………
Email the president at this URL
http://www.emailthepresident.com/
Also seek out and email your political representatives to make them aware of the HP fiasco. Mark Hurd and his type must be stopped.
if you are in EMEA and took the cut you can look forward to more cuts (pension ? Car? Job?) because an undisclosed number didn’t take the cut. The Americas had no choice and culturally I suspect much of AP didn’t have a choice.
If you didn’t take the cut you can look forward to some cut or another.. Now wasn’t it stated (in print) that there would be no reprisals?
Read the offical HP memo below. Videos of EMEA coffee talks to start appearing on YouTube…
Update on the salary reduction process
First of all we want to extend our sincere thanks to all managers and employees in EMEA who agreed to accept a salary reduction. You clearly demonstrated your commitment to the company, and this is greatly appreciated and particularly important for us to have your support.
While the majority of managers consented to the program, the acceptance rate from the employee community was more varied depending on country and Business Group. We understand that this is a very difficult step to take which impacts everyone’s life but we also know that the company does not expect the impact of the salary reductions on Total Rewards to be borne disproportionately by one group or one part of HP only. EMEA will have to contribute to the company’s efficiency in the same way as the Americas and APJ do. We will consequently have to look into other possibilities to get our cost structure aligned.
Probably about time to step up the trial by public opinion, I’m not going to do this on my own but I certainly will add more commentary to this blog. Another 1.6 billion in the coffers and they are still looking to exploit people in the guise of “getting our cost structure aligned”.
It was indeed stated that there would be no PERSONAL reprisals (i.e. refusing to take the pay cut would not adversely effect your ‘career’ at HP etc), but it was also stated that the company would look at its options if anticipated savings weren’t made; surprise, surprise the savings haven’t been made (anyone in the UK know anyone who said ‘yes’?).
It will be interesting to see how these ‘other possibilities’ are implemented. The only way which avoids problems with the ‘no personal reprisals’ statement is to implement changes across the board. However this will penalize further the few that said ‘yes’ to the cut. Maybe there have been so few acceptances that this wouldn’t matter(?)
I don’t know a lot about European labor laws but I would assume they offer some protection.
I thought Dell people are being treated badly here.. I guess I haven’t seen HP.
We got your worst hench-man, Randy Mott, as Hurds sidekick. Mott’s from Wal-Mart and we all know how nice you get treated there. So Mott brought in his evil-doers, sorry Senior Leader from his time in both Dell and Walmart. End result? A truely nasty place to work. It should be good for Dell as many HPers gave started buying and recommending Dell to friends and family.
HP – powered by fear & greed
I’m in HP Costa Rica and our manager gave an example of how many “vegetables” will you get by scoring “I, P-, P, P+ or K”…
He said he used vegetables cause there is no way they can talk about money in this moment.
interesting…
Like an episode of “The Office” only tragic.
So how many vegetables would you get for I -p p +p k ?
To be honest I don’t really give a flying .
Just endured another mind numbing coffee talk from Randy “rmott” Mott. If you’re reading Randy here’s what our floor think…
- we don’t care about your core site policy. Check it out! We all work at home.
- we’re not going to tell you the truth in VoW because we tried that once or twice and got nowhere. So guess what? Everything’s cool.
- we don’t give a crap about your 3 leadership attributes, most of us have no desire to turn into weasel toad senior execs. Looks like we’d have to sell our souls.
- the survey at the end of the web cast? WTF? Whatever dude!
- rotations! Big deal… Not all of us want to be all rounders.
Please do us all a favor and eff off to your next gig wherever that might be. We’re pretty sure your cronies will go with you.
Finally. I heard the most ridiculous thing:
1)HP real-estate are looking to close sites/reduce office space.
2) HP IT want people IN the office
3) Some HP people will lose their permanent desks at these locations.
4) these people will become “mobile” workers.
Sounds ok so far… Until Motts HR dude explained that in HPIT “mobile” mean’t you’d have to hotdesk AND that HPIT would make sure there were sufficient hot desks for HPIT workers! WTF! Why not just let them keep their desks? We don’t come in to the office much anyway… Unless you and your motley crüe are in.
The amount you guys suck is unreal! Well done.
Ps. I record all of your coffee talks so I can submit them to wikileaks.
Yours,
Disgruntled
3rd Quarter results are in. Every division in HP reported lower revenue and profits except TSG.
Laptops down 10%. Desktops 25%. Servers 25%. Printers 23%.
Overall, revenue was down 2%, still better than analysts expected, and profit pretty much stable at 1.6Bn – down compared to last year, but comparable to the last quarter.
Of course, the only division that made money…was the division now encompassing EDS…you know, the slackers that just got their wages slashed.
How much do we want to bet that once year-end comes, the ‘numbers’ just wont support any bonuses or raises.
I had been with EDS for 10+ years in the Asia Pacific region before quitting at the end of ’08. For all the “HP Way” tales I had heard so much from EDS colleagues after the take-over were laughable, and the treatment EDS staffs received were nothing short of downright outrage – so to our ex-EDS brothers in arms we felt your pain just as much no matter where you are.
Poor Chinese EDS now HP colleagues who graduated from top universities and joined EDS in 07/08 with (very) low salaries, are now finding themselves hoplessly stuck in a company without increase and bonus, and the attrition is now climbing at a staggering rate.
I used to complain about EDS being cruel, but now when I think back and compare that with the “HP Way” I can only say I know nothing about coporate cruelty until seeing what HP is capable of doing. And for the way HP is famous for in the region in undercutting IBM and underachieving in almost all outsourcing deals, the sad demise of EDS will only give way to IBM a even stronger position in the region. Well done HP.
I used to swear by HP. Given hyow they’ve been treating staff and customers (have you tried to deal with their overseas ‘help desk’?), I opted for a Samsung printer instead of HP. They don’t deserve my money.
Reminds me of a Canadian company whose chairman ‘earned’ many millions in bonuses … by just laying off tens of thousands of staff. I couldn’t help wonder how many of those staffs’ salaries those millions could have paid?
EDS OSers in Germany received an email yesterday asking us to “voluntarily” accept Mark Hurd’s pay cut mentioned back in February. You have to wonder how many people will really accept it. I imagine that various members of management will have to but I can’t see too many grunts taking it.
I am afraid that none of us will even be able to call ourselves EDSers in a couple of months time.
I have heard they are dropping the name as sson as they can.
In the UK it may be as early as November.
Makes me wonder about all those Customers who chose EDS over HP for very sound capability reasons. Now they will find themselves on a journey to lowest common denominator territory.
I for one will never call myself a HPer as long as Mark Hurd is in charge. I’ve even duct taped over the HP logos on the crap h/w that’s been forced upon us.
It wont be long before some of us are asked to transfer to other h/w neutral companies by our customers as HP starts to lose government accounts. The question is how many lives will Mark “it’s all about my bonus” Hurd destroy in the meantime?
do for the US… No retirement matching, no payraises in the last 5 years for me, and none in sight. If I were offered a severance, I would accept it without question, as it would be the last way I know to cach out of this organization and move on. As far as stock bonus options, I have some (a few meger) as offered at acquisition time (300) taht are now 50% vested; BUT they are at $44/share strike price…. so what good are they…. (NO, they are too harsh for toilet paper.
Question– do you think all of HP’s service customers will ask HP for a 20% cut in charges, since they are cutting their costs (which are mostly salaries) at least 20%?
I have to think GM and Delphi will. They have to see the mess Hurd is creating and say why should they allow HP to make more profit off them by cutting their own costs, which GM knows is also hurting them by cutting the employees morale/productivity so GM is not getting as much work out of the HP employees.
WE NEED A UNION!!!
Laffathp:
You have to think that some of our clients will be wanting to see some of the savings that HP/EDS have been generating or they might want to look more closely at what they’re really receiving for the money they’re paying. Our clients should put pressure on the company to be more responsible because they have power that the company recognises. Also, if the company doesn’t cooperate with its clients they won’t give HP/EDS new business, renewals, nor referenability
There are some unions out there that HPers/EDSers can join. In Germany we have IGM and Ver.di. In the U.K., they have Unite and PCS. In the U.S., I would highly recommend getting in contact with the AFL-CIO about possibilities for representation. There might even be some other possibilities.
I was hoping to see more people stand up when EDS OS in Germany was on strike back in June/July. We started a website and are posting updates there. We need to let HP know that we’re not going to take this crap any more. There is already a lot of stuff online that should be spread to colleagues that are fed up. There are a bunch of videos on Youtube. I’ve “tweeted” a bunch of things about HP/EDS. There is a Facebook group that you can join.
Be sure to let your elected officials know that you won’t accept this any longer. HP has through buying EDS, large government contracts in the U.S., U.K., and Belgium that I’m aware of. With government contracts, the taxpayers should let their leaders know that the taxpayers want to see the companies that their leaders do business with shape up or don’t do business with them any longer!
John Q Worker
Here is the website we started during our strike:
http://www.edsser.de
facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91466762718&ref=mf
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I am deeply saddened by what is happening to my US colleagues. This is an immoral act with devastating consequences for the employees impacted. HP is a healthy company that is using the US recession as an excuse to slash labour costs. This is immoral as the end result is to transfer wealth from powerless employees to powerful executive and shareholders. Doing this to US employees is bad enough but the lack of morality in doing this to employees in 3rd-world countries is astounding. While I will not have my pay cut I can no longer work for a company that treats its employee in this way and will leave EDS as soon as I can. To my colleagues in the US who say it’s not fair – no it isn’t fair and I feel for you.
Maybe it’s time for the US to relook at its employment laws – having all powerful employers and totally powerless employees isn’t healthy for an economy. Neither are overly protective laws which make companies unprofitable. I personally think we have the balance right in Australia. I read a comment that equated employee protection laws with socialism and lower standard of living – as an Australian I can say this is not true. Our employment laws seek to protect employees from abuses of power by the employer. No employer in Australia can unilaterally change your conditions of employment.
I live in beautiful country, where my health care isn’t at the whim of my employer, where I manage my pension fund and where my employer (EDS) cannot simply decide that today they will pay me 47% less for the same work. Who’s living in the land of the free me or you?
Ok everyone! Here is the reporter who did the interview with the EDS employee:
MciLwain, Randy (NBC Universal, KXAS)
randy.mcilwain@nbcuni.com
He wants many, many employees to speak to him! He had his story picked up in Philadephia and San Francisco! The more of you that speak out the better!!!
Speak up Guys.
I walked away from EDS earlier this year….with 150K in my back pocket
He he…yeah, my payout provided the capital for my business…no looking back. I’m pretty sure I wont be working for HP again
I work for EDS and our managers have been calling everyone giving us our new HP job codes and concurrent salary reductions. They try to spin it so getting less money is great, as our bonuses will make up for it in the long run. LOL Personally I had my salary cut 20% back to what I made in the late 90s. I have heard other employees pay has been cut as much as 42%. 42%!!!!!! Basically, I think HP is trying to make folks quit without having to pay them a severance.
There will be a bonus shortly after the pigs fly.
HP wants you to quit.
Hmmmmmmm under European TUPE Laws they can’t reduce your wages.
Benjamin Franklin defined insanity as; “doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results”. HP’s approach to the purchase of EDS fulfills this definition.
Over the years HP has tried to create a service division within the company. They have formed a division known as TSG, that has had limited to no success. With the decline of hardware sales, and with PC’s becoming no better than commodity goods, with little to no profit margins, HP purchased EDS to spring board them into the service market. EDS, according to a letter from the CEO Mark Hurd, was the only profitable branch within HP in the first two quarters of 2009. In response to this success, HP cuts salaries company wide, including an extra 10% cut for EDS employees for the month of April 2009. HP also promises Job code realignments to follow. This month (July) EDS employees worldwide received their new HP Job Codes and new Pay structure, also known as HP Rewards. EDS’s reward was a pay cut of 15% for the majority of the employees.
Now back to my point earlier, Insanity. HP has tried and tried to create a successful Services division but have been unable to do so. Why; because they do not believe in paying industry standard wages, to keep and retain marketable talent. In a beautiful display of “insanity” HP decimated the EDS talent pool by substantially lowering their pay, forcing employees to search for new jobs, killing productivity, destroying morale and alienating EDS. Do they expect to keep any EDS accounts long term? “By applying the same strategy over and over” do they expect a different result?
Yeah, it’s like the age old saying “the beatings will continue until morale improves”. Mark Hurd has created a house of cards, I’m looking forward to the market getting wind of it.
Check out this link:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32296912/ns/local_news-dallasfort_worth_tx/
They continue to make money despite the troubled economy and continue to treat their employees like this. I agree with this fellow, it feels like a slap in the face. The majority of my EDS peers that took a pay cut during this ‘alignment’ took 20% or more. We are devastated by this. Some people I know are talking to attorneys.
Just in case you all have not seen, or looked at all your compensation. As of 4/1 they cut all 401K matching and while they last year had a look of reduced medical, I just went to the optometrist, and the only thing the vision care covers is yearly checkups and 50% off glasses. And quite frankly, the glasses are much cheaper than the 50% at their DR at a discount place. So for the cost of the annual policy, an annual visit for a standard exam is cheaper, if I cover the cost 100% Out of Pocket. Hhhhhhhh… ALSO I can use medical tax saving set aside for this and not take the tax hit, that I have to do as an insurance. To add additional insult to injury, I was in a car accident last year and I am now being sued by the HP preferred insurance provider for full payment for my medical injuries, and threatening legal action against me. I suspect the first time I have to go back to the Dr for a true medical issue, that will not be covered either.
I believe HP’s INVENT statement is really designed to INVENT new ways not to treat the customer facing portion of the company well, just to see where they will break.
As for me, I just turned in my notice, without a new job in sight; but my old boss is now hiring me back at 50% over my previous pay, as I was deemed “critical to the project success”. All of this with a 1 year commitment AND A PAYRAISE. So why can they pay me 50% more externally and not a 5% return of lost pay when I worked internally?
I guess Mr Hurd will have to answer that…
In being involved in the support organization, I can tell you that HP states they want a ‘world class’ organization; but that relates to industry averages, and the truth is that they want the best average support organization at the lowest possible costs (mediocrity for less).
We were forced to outsource to organizations that know nothing about the products they support, and then when people start to understand the products and support process, they leave for a competitor (IBM / Dell / Sony) that are all in the same area foe more money, and we are restricted from matching the offers.
As for your case, I would suspect that your increased pay will be cut at any time, as they have a 30 day notice agreement in all outsourced contracts (Did I mention they also outsourced the lawyers to India?) so they can terminate them at any time. Also the bucket of money your new pay is coming out of, is not the same bucket of money that your old pay was, so they can be more liberal, as it no longer hits the same budget…
Apparently the shell game is alive and well…
Just wanted to share that for my many years of service, hard work, experience, and excellent performance as an EDS IA, I was given an ADDITIONAL paycut last week due to HP Job Code changes. I was deemed to be making about 8% too much (this is in addition to the 5% cut in Feb, for a grand total of 13% less). I’m down to the salary I made in the early 90s. I was told that my salary was reduced to the middle of the pay scale for the “equivalent” HP job code. Not all ex-EDSers’ pay was affected–there are apparently those making less than the middle…but did HP ever consider that there could be a REASON people make more than the middle? Like we might actually be WORTH more because we perform better and do more work? My manager said if I find another position outside the company they will understand. That is pitiful! It sounds like HP WANTS all the ex-EDS people to leave. I say be careful what you wish for, HP.
I can tell you that, in all my previous experience as a HP manager, I never had any indication that the company actually values your performance, or your experience, apart from paying lip service to it in their corporate propaganda. I would say categorically that they do want you to leave.
Right now, I wouldn’t trust HP leadership any further than their next bonus…
“how on Earth can ANYONE spend $45M in one year????) while their employees make the sacrifices on their behalf?”
I believe it just need a bit of time to think right and understand what the above statement is talking about. If one can understand that, then the one will quit and look for another better leader.
Think I am leaving soon.
45 mio? Well I guess groceries and stuff.
EDS was never perfect but under HP it got worse. Everything is aimed a maxmum profit for minimim service. Hurd is more shorsighted than Donald Pleasance in the Great Escape
-Travel is pretty much banned – to the extent that people on UK MOD work, who cannot work off customer site for security reasons, are now un-billable and benched just to save a few quid a week in expenses. Unbelievable.
-Pay Cuts
-Enforced Christmas holidays
-Contractors not getting renewed, even when revenue depends on them
-Contractors taking 10% pay cut then being told to work 4 days not 5! A 72% pay cut! to people that we need to fill skills gaps
-Now they want us to take time off unpaid
-Time & Materials work being ignored or postponed till after 31/10
-Bid work – NEXT YEAR’S PIPELINE FOR CHRIST’S SAKE – on hold to save a few quid in expenses ahead of 31/10
-Constant reminders to flog HP kit on “pull through” that are alienating our customers fast
HP just doesn’t get it that EDS is a service company – we are looking forward to transferring to those companies that win our work when EDS lose re-competes. Meanwhile Senior EDS Management seem too scared to tell California to bugger off and count the profits we bring in by letting EDS run it’s own business
FWIW, HP employees feel the same as you. Hurd’s ripped the soul out of the company. HP used to stand for something. You’re right, it’s Ryan Air, it’s Walmart, it’s a dead man walking
At some point in the escalation path a manager will be on for a serious bonus if he/she does what Hurd wants. It’s not in their financial interests to be a squeeky wheel. The level this starts at in earnest Is Director level,but there’s always some wannabes at the lower levels. Mgr2 get a nice bonus in some cases. The Hurd carrot is quite a big one. It corrupts people. I myself take a nice chunk of change each year in bonus but have grown very unhappy with my own spineless behaviour and am balancing things out by whistleblowing.
Anyone out there still think that the bonus culture is a good thing? Anyone? It doesn’t reward talent, it rewards ruthless idiocy. Turns us all into greedy, duspicable human beings. Interesting how there’s two bonus schemes, VPB and PFR.
I’m shocked that I turned into something I never wanted to become… money and the safety it brings is a big incentive but the price is high. You sell out to the devil himself.
Its not performance related its sycophancy related pay.
It sure is… But u only get the big money if u make someones life a misery. The more misery and the more bullying the more u get. This counter is now closed
EDS UK currently has a travel BAN in place. The only travel allowed is travel that will increase profit (this has been explicitly stated). Customers who have just signed deals are being told that EDS staff cannot travel to separate sites and work has to be done remotely.
I know customers who are pretty pissed at this. Great work Mark Hurd. The clock is ticking on which customers will shift to different providers.
Mark Hurds HP does not care about keeping EDS customers.
Another fine example of “putting Customers first in everything we do”.
I’ve witnessed how the leaders of these companies work with HP’s execs. It’s all champagne on the golf course or the boat. They’re all getting a good deal out of it and just make the workers at the coalface pay the true price. Sure, senior customers staff will be pissed, but the real movers and shakers are cut from the same rag as Mark Hurd.
I hope I’m wrong and customers start to leave.
Jim
And we also hear that everyone is to be offered the chance to go on unpaid leave until end Oct 09. Although this has only been offered verbally and not officially …hmmmmm.
Everyone in HP? Or just EDS side of the house?
You probably won’t be surprised to learn that the travel ban doesn’t apply to folk who’ve been selected for redundancy – I’ve been summoned to two meetings in a week with my manager in the monster’s lair – a 200-mile round trip; I’m sure it would’ve been cheaper to send me my P45 and a stamped, addressed Jiffy bag for my laptop.
I suppose it makes sense, to them, anyway – getting rid of people saves costs, in the short term – but I find it a strange way to run a business; until recently, I’ve been more then 100% utilised for years and could be again, but I’m out the door because I didn’t have a chair when the music stopped.
We should create something called the Mark Hurd Misery Index. There has been over 60,000 layoffs since Carly and Hurd showed up. The index would contain a list of how many people have lost their homes, unable to find jobs, marriage breakups and suicides caused by HP’s destroying of the middle class. I left this web site at loudobbs.com but unfortunately I have yet to hear Lou sound off on HP.
Wow! Did anybody get to watch the TV show “Eli Stone” Saturday night? It’s a real hokey-funny show about a do-gooder law firm.
They sued for a middle aged man who was let go by a company who said they couldn’t afford him anymore because the had to pay their CEO – no lie- a $43M bonus!!! They kept bringing up greedy companies, etc…
The strike site is for EDS OS in Germany…
http://www.edsser.de/index.html
As Italy had a strike earlier this week, I hope that they’ll keep us informed so we can include this here as well. For colleagues and former colleagues we could use your help in our fight.
Feel free to join the our Facebook group “EDS Employees Say Yes To HP, But For Us All”…
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91466762718&ref=mf
You can also look for John Q Worker at the various social network sites. Let’s all stop this insanity
We were pleased that colleagues from the HP Frankfurt office joined us in Rüsselsheim, Germany during their lunch break. They delivered the message that they were behind us. They know that we MUST succeed or there will be no piece for them.
Striking EDS OS employees in Germany asked President Obama for his help with HP in a petition that was delivered in front of the national German press at the American Consulate in Frankfurt.
The video is here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY91ayixvoI
Be sure to have a look at our Facebook group…
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91466762718&ref=mf
Look for me at the various social media sites. Let your government know that we won’t take this crap any longer!
EDS OS employees in Germany have now entered our forth week of striking. There a bunch of videos at Youtube. I’ve created a channel and will try to favorite the ones related to the strike. The chanel is
@ http://www.youtube.com/user/edshponstrike
Some of the employees who ride motorcycles have traveled to various HP sites and created quite a buzz.
Video of visit to HP- Böblingen und Gültstein on June 17th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj_45GteQm8
Video of visit to HP- Bad Homburg on June 10th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlD6P_0i9Xc
A second Video of visit to HP- Bad Homburg on June 10th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUaQDh1ySv8
Come join our social media campaign. We’ve created a group at Facebook called “EDS Employees Say Yes To HP, But For Us All”
@ http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91466762718&ref=mf
By the way you’re welcome to join us anonomously. We need your support.
The latest thing I have read is the change in HP’s email policy about not putting inappropriate comments in external sites e.t.c.
They must be looking to see if they can identify which employee’s are directly commenting on this !
We’ll all they need to know is that there will be more legitimate commentary on this site whether they like it or not.
The only thing you can be sure about is that where there’s censorship there’s someone with something they don’t want the world to know.
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