HP Pay Cuts – an unfair act of economic opportunism and greed.

by Damian Saunders on February 26, 2009 · View Comments

HP’s CEO, Mark Hurd announced, on the 20th February that he would be implementing a company wide cut in pay for all employees. Starting with a reduction in his own salary by 20%, followed by senior executives who would take a drop between ten and fifteen percent, regular employees 5 percent and exempt employees 2.5 percent. All this in reaction to a 13.5 percent fall in the company’s first quarter profit.

Now, before I’m accused of making disparaging comments about HP let me just state that I have no issue with HP products and services which are top notch, largely due to the quality of HP people (their most valuable asset). This post is my opinion only, and one I’m entitled to.

Let’s look at this in a little more detail. On face value it would seem that Mark Hurd’s decision was an expedient one and he’s backed it up with the kind of corporate eloquence (read smoke and mirrors) that we’ve become used to from him, it’s anything but that, to me it smacks of opportunism, pandering to investors and market analysts, and cold hard manipulation at a time when we need CEO’s to have the courage to do the exact opposite, and, when we are demanding as much social accountability for their action as they have to investors and Wall Street (now a dirty word) for profit.

Since when has making 1.9 Billion dollars nett profit in a little over 12 weeks been a legitimate excuse to cut the salaries of hundreds of thousands of people world wide? I would suggest never in a million years, Mark Hurd has revealed his true colors with this one.

First we need to put Mark Hurd’s 20% salary cut into perspective, remember he is only taking a cut to his base salary ($1,450,000) which amounts to a $290,000 drop. Seems quite reasonable until you examine the following, publicly available, information.

  • Mark Hurd’s total compensation in 2008 was $42,514,524
  • His compensation in fiscal year 2007 was $25,253,461 – so, by my calculations a 68% increase in the total package from 2007 to 2008.
  • He also exercised $10 million worth of stock options and had $15.7 million worth of HP stock vest during the 2008 period
  • His compensation package includes approximately $738,000 worth of additional compensation;
  • Personal and home security – $256,000
  • Personal use of HP’s corporate jet – $135,734 (you have to love that don’t you?)
  • $71,000 in mortgage subsidy he is guaranteed for relocation expenses under his employment agreement.

So, the question is; what’s the significance of his stated 20% cut in base salary? I would suggest next to nothing.

You would have to assume that this situation is not much different for the senior executives who are taking smaller cuts

  • Ann M. Livermore, Executive Vice President, Technology Solutions Group. Total compensation of $15,675,274 in 2007, $20,551,493 in 2008, a 31% increase in total compensation. For her a 15% cut in base pay ($820,000) would be $123,000 or 0.59 % of her total package.
  • R. Todd Bradley, Executive Vice President, Personal Systems Group. Total Compensation of $7,674,083 in 2007, $21,058,092 in 2008, a 174% increase in total compensation. For him a 15% cut in base pay ($820,000) would be $123,000 or 0.58% of his total package.
  • Vyomesh I. Joshi, Executive Vice President, Imaging and Printing Group. Total compensation of $12,032,204 in 2007, $21,804,726 in 2008, an 81% increase in total compensation. For him a 15% cut in base pay ($820,000) would be $123,000 or 0.56% of his total package
  • Randall D. Mott, Executive Vice President and Chief Information Officer. Total compensation of $7,390,948 in 2007, $28,293,134 in 2008, a 282% increase in total compensation. For him a 15% cut in base pay ($690,000) would be $103,500 or 0.36% of his total package.
  • Catherine A. Lesjak, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. total compensation of $3,741,201 in 2007, $5,552,356 in 2008, a 48% increase in total compensation. Fo her a 15% cut in base pay ($625,000) would be $93,750 or 1.68% of her total package.

Put bluntly, 6 people at the top of the HP pyramid accounted for $142,774,325 in compensation in 2008 alone. That is an obscene amount of money.

To be fair, and before we contrast this with the HP employee, we have to acknowledge that HP has, under Mark Hurd’s leadership and at least fiscally, performed very well. In his three years on the job sales have increased by $30 billion and profits have tripled. 2008 was a stellar year for the company. HP is now the world’s biggest computer manufacturer. But, at what cost?

Let’s look at the plight of the HP employee. The first thing we have to consider is that, unlike Mark Hurd, a 5% cut in salary is in fact a 5% cut in total compensation. Someone on a salary of $65,000 would be losing $3250 per year before tax, or $270.00 per month. Some would say this is a small price to pay for keeping your job but I think holding that gun to an employee’s head is outright exploitation and can not be condoned, especially when they have already been exploited enough for the sake of high profit margins and Mark Hurd’s stellar career performance. Ask a majority of HP employees about their current remuneration and you will be lifting a rock that you don’t want to look under, specifically;

  • Employees have seen the real value of their salaries diminishing with the rising cost of living since Mark Hurd came on board and even under his predecessor. There are no automatic adjustments for cost of living in HP’s yearly remuneration review (even though the smoke and mirrors will be employed amazingly to suggest HP is paying market competitive salaries).
  • With few exceptions most HP employees have not had a pay rise, or anything other than a measly token gesture, in the past three years despite their workload, and the company profit, increasing significantly.
  • HP Employees who are promoted into new roles with higher accountability, more work and more stress do not receive an immediate remuneration increase in line with the new position. Instead they have to wait for the yearly review which more often than not sees them bitterly disappointed. If you are employed into a new role in February you will wait until the end of the year for your remuneration review, the company will exploit you for nine months at least prior to that and then your remuneration will be determined by a simple algorithm on a spreadsheet that coldly spits out a figure you will definitely be unhappy with.
  • The much touted company performance bonus has the bar set just high enough that it’s only had two significant payouts in more than 5 years. It never makes up for the HP employee’s loss in real wages.

Am I the only one who thinks it’s time for this to stop? Aren’t the employees the public face of the company, the ones who deliver the services, the ingenious inventors and developers?

In his address to the company Mark Hurd said;

In an environment like this, there’s no margin for error and no tolerance for inaction. To give you a little insight into my world, after we report our earnings, we engage in a dialogue with analysts and investors. They’re going to ask what we’re doing in light of the current environment to right-size these businesses.

Well Mark Hurd, we’ve already had an insight into your $42 million dollar per anum, private use of the corporate jet, overpaid to a vulgar extreme world and frankly, something smells funny. In case you hadn’t noticed it the whole world is in recession. Governments all over the globe, and especially yours, are going into massive deficit to try and kick start their economies and preserve jobs. They are providing handouts of cash to stimulate spending and help us climb the ladder out of recession, the problem is people like you, and your MBA textbook approach to an “environment like this” (one I bet you’ve never seen), your totally myopic view that it’s all about analysts and investors, are simultaneously lowering the ladder down from the top. I’d suggest that there’s no longer any tolerance for the type of action you are taking.

The way I see it you have two possible answers to the question about right-sizing the business.

  1. The courageous option, the one that takes guts. You stand up and tell the investors “you know what, we’ve had an amazing period of growth, we’ve reaped billions of dollars profit out of the economy over the past few years, we’ve delivered a strong performance to our shareholders, and we’ve become the biggest computer company on the planet, but now it’s time to show some respect, to our employees, the lifeblood of the company, and the society’s around the world, who have allowed us the privilege to operate and become the company we are. To ensure that no HP employee finds his, or her, way on to the unemployment lines, has their home foreclosed, or has their capacity to contribute to the economy diminished in any way, as a result of company action, until such time as the economic cycle turns for the better. We know we can afford it (hell, we just made 1.9 billion profit in 12 weeks), it will just mean lowering our profit expectations for a short time.”
  2. The cowardly option, the one that puts you squarely at the bottom with the worst of the worst, your snout in the trough, and your pants down around your ankles. You cut headcount and reduce salaries.

Mr Hurd also said in his address;

I’ll be asked by investors, “Where’s the job action, where are you taking out this roughly, 20,000 positions?” Well, I don’t want to do that.

We’ll of course not, since you’ve come on board you’ve taken over 40,000 people out of the HP workforce already (and I’m sure that doesn’t account for the thousands of jobs you moved offshore, or the thousands of long term contractors you’ve shafted), you’re still right in the middle of taking 24,600 of those positions out from the EDS merger you started in September 2008. The HP workforce reduction machine rolls on, you probably don’t even have another 20,000 you can drop right now. More smoke and mirrors.

I’m willing to bet though that, 12 weeks from now, when the recession that will get worse before it gets better is biting harder into your massive profits (and your bonus), you’ll be marching those people out the door.

I wouldn’t be worried about questions about headcount from analysts and investors if I was you, I’d be more concerned about the astute investor who asks you “what are you going to do when your employees stand up and say enough is enough?” People power has toppled Governments, a disgruntled employee base has the potential to bring HP to it’s knees in days, surely that time bomb’s ticking.

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Angie, Colorado Springs, CO April 15, 2009 at 4:29 am

As an HP employee, do your best to make it through. When onsite, don’t make excuses for poor off-shored support; tell the customer its what they should expect as its the direction the company is heading!
Don’t go over and above; do as little as possible to get done with the engagment and get home.
If anyone from another department needs something and it doesnt help you; skip it..what the point.
IF we do as little as possible to jsut keep our jobs, dont make excuses for anything, and don’t cover for the company; eventually customers will quit buying, and maybe some change will happen.

From Mexico April 15, 2009 at 12:51 am

I’m a mexican HP employee, we’ve already received the official pay cut communication, but… here in Mexico, pay cuts are not legally possible, you must sign a “meeting of minds” between employee and employer to do so. Of course HP is encouraging all employees in Mexico to sign it voluntarily: “HP needs your support in these hard times…”. C’mon !, when does HP had risen the salary of some employee who’s having a “hard time”?… NEVER !. We barely had an inflation adjustment to our salary in the past 3 years (I’m talking about a 3%)!!; and last year the famous VPB(Variable Performance Bonus) was “rickety” compared with our performance, considering that our workload and stress level have increased considerably.

“HP will respect your decision without consequences”… anyway I´m not signing this “meeting of minds”!!. Fortunately, I had a job opportunity in another great company and I’m in the middle of the hiring process… I’m not complaining, HP has a lot of Pros (you can work from home any time, you can buy HP products with discount and in pay terms, here in Mexico we have transport service) but the Cons are stronger…

EDS UK April 14, 2009 at 11:30 pm

More WFRs just announced in the UK. 998 EDS and 73 HP.

Also Sean Finnan has gone (previously head of EDS UK).

Watching the fire across the river April 14, 2009 at 7:51 pm

Seriously, another of my ex colleague succumb to the Word ‘FEAR’…He clicked ‘yes’ today as he didn’t want to get retrenched in these uncertain times, of course his new born child ‘forced’ him into this decision. I do wish him well.

Adam April 15, 2009 at 2:27 pm

He is Ill Informed then.

The WFR’s are going to happen ANYWAY.

Saying Yes will only put money in Hurd’s pocket.

Watching the fire across the river April 15, 2009 at 4:18 pm

Well, that’s true but I can understand why he is taking this decision. Anyhow, from what I understand, the ground is particularly sour now…and people will run if there are opportunities. Believe me.

From Singapore April 14, 2009 at 11:53 am

In end March, Paul Molinas (VP of GBS) assured us that he need us to help HP to transfer the manufacturing from Singapore to China, so there is not Head count cut for the next 1-2years.

But 2 weeks later, there are more than 50 employees been notified to be retrenched.

There is no immunity for anyone. The shit comes from the top. The middle level will definitely pass it down.

It will take Worldwide effort to throw the shit back at Mark Hurd. But I doubt anyone will take the risk of losing their temporary job to speak up. Mark Hurd has designed this game of Survival for everyone… “Outlast”.

Of cos, he is winner for the 42millions. 2009, maybe another 30~40millions.

All the loyal HP employees will not sabotage HP because of a heartless and greedy CEO. Else we are going down to his level.

Just lift your head high and work for your daily salary with dignity. If you are not able to detach from Bill and Dave era, I hope you find a better job elsewhere.

Anyway, it is just a job. Mark Hurd don’t owe us a living.

Michael Bolton April 15, 2009 at 8:36 am

“It will take Worldwide effort to throw the shit back at Mark Hurd. But I doubt anyone will take the risk of losing their temporary job to speak up. Mark Hurd has designed this game of Survival for everyone… “Outlast”.”

Here’s what Mark and his drones are going to reap.

HP will fail to attract top talent as the smart people will prefer to go and work for attractive organizations (assuming some are still left). Who !?! in their right mind would work at HP if they could get a job at Google, M$ or Apple?

The remaining pool of “talent” will not have the creativity, ability, motivation to take HP 10 – 20 years in to the future. When’s the last time HP invented something cool? Free thinking has pretty much been extinguished throughout HP.

HP will morph into A.N.Other dull services organization, if it’s lucky to survive at all.

Share price will decline and not come back up as there’s nothing new to generate excitement.

UH-OH! That’s already happened!!!!

I hope HP mgmt are reading and taking note! Stick your FY09 VoW where it don’t shine.

EDS & HP, two lackluster organizations become one.

“Just lift your head high and work for your daily salary with dignity. If you are not able to detach from Bill and Dave era, I hope you find a better job elsewhere.”

It’s nothing to do with Bill & Dave… We’re not ready to be assimilated into a new-world order. Gee! is this how regimes start… “oooh, just round up the and shoot them WITH daily salary and dignity”. Hell no!

“Anyway, it is just a job. Mark Hurd don’t owe us a living”
Mark and our managers should treat us with respect and dignity(and most people in HP do earn and deserve that respect). It’s part of the harasment free work policy and more importantly, it’s how all humans should treat one another. We’re being screwed, and losing our dignity as we are forced to maintain a facade that “we are happy”.

I for one, will not leave (without a payout at least – hey, everyone’s got a price) because some bully rode in on his 10 bit horse. No Way! I’ll do my best to squeeze every last $ out of the company while bad mouthing it in forums like this. Heck… it’s not badmouthing – it’s real-mouthing.

Read ‘White Collar Sweat-Shop’ by Jill Andresky Fraser. Thats what we’re all so angry about!

Damian Saunders April 15, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Good point, one of the things we’re dealing with here is an executive that behaves in direct contradiction to the companies published core values.

Kristi Zilliken April 14, 2009 at 7:08 am

Damian,

I know this is your personal blog, but I thought you might be willing to pass this message along to your readers. I think they would be interested in it!

Terremark Worldwide is holding an Open House in Plano, Texas (literally just down the street from HP/EDS headquarters).

The event is Thursday, 4/16, from 5:00-7:00 p.m. at the Marriott Legacy Town Center. It’s a chance for IT professionals to come hear more about us and meet some of our leadership (and hiring managers).

Even in this economy, while companies like HP/EDS continue to slash salaries to meet their targets, our company is doing well! We have several current opportunities available in Dallas and across the country, and are anticipating future needs, as well.

They can get more information on our website at http://www.terremark.com under News and Events.

Regards,
Kristi Zilliken
Recruiting Manager
Terremark Worldwide

A coward April 15, 2009 at 3:54 pm

I have a friend that works for Terrmark and she is quite happy. They want the EDS/HP talent!!!

US_Emp April 14, 2009 at 4:32 am

On one hand I am amazed at all the postings here, on the other hand I am not. I have worked for HP for many years, am from pre-merger HP and am amazed at all of the changes that have taken place over the years. I agree with others that things started to go downhill with Carly. Since that time there have been virtually no bonuses or stock options. My wages have only grown slightly even though I have performed well and gotten great reviews. The 5% pay cut has put me back at least 5 years.

In the organization I work in it’s all about management by fear and intimidation. We are asked to do so many things that include veiled threats that if the deal isn’t pulled in to this quarter(or whatever) that we’ll find someone else to do the job. We’re expected to do what we’re told 24X7, work life balance is a thing of the past. Everyone is very frustrated, we feel like we are managed by check box. Do what we ask, don’t ask questions, get that check next to your name. The only feedback is negative, rarely a simple thank you or job well done.

While I would like to see the company return to some of the old Bill & Dave ways I just can’t see that it will happen. I think it’s become accetable to prop up profit at the expense of the employees. If there was a way to organize and fight back I would sign up. In the mean time the most logical thing to do is look for work outside of HP. Things may not be perfect out there but I can’t imagine an environment much worse than the one we live in now.

Damian Saunders April 14, 2009 at 8:20 am

“I think it’s become acceptable to prop up profit at the expense of the employees” is symptomatic of the global problem we face today. It’s a symptom of capitalism without ethics and I personally believe we have to stand up and say no, that’s no longer acceptable.
I realize and empathize that there’s now a climate of fear and intimidation within HP, and I fortunately am immune to it having left the company, honestly, other than continuing to publish opinion’s about the situation I’m not entirely sure what to do about it. I can tell you that there’s a good life outside HP, the grass can be greener on the other side if you find yourself in a position where your skills and intelligence are seen as having value, but if you choose to stay in HP I would strongly suggest that you find a way to make yourself immune from fear and intimidation (I did it by starting my online marketing business while I was there – I no longer cared about being WFR’ed and in Australia they can’t fire you) then you can refuse to work any hours you are not being paid for, you can speak up, write blog articles (use an alias if you need to) and generally stand up for your rights as an employee.
The whole concept that it’s all about the shareholders and their profit is just wrong and Mark Hurd has to learn that we expect much more social accountability from him and his ilk.

littledave April 14, 2009 at 9:07 pm

>> In the organization I work in it’s all about management by fear and intimidation.

Too right. It’s never written down, but it’s communicated. XYZ must be completed by XYZ… i.e. If you don’t get this done on time, you’ll be on the wrong side of an ‘i’ rating or worse.

You can’t complain in VoW because that’s turned into a witch-hunt too. “We must help those people let go of the past” (was a quote I overheard) It’s also easy for managers to determine where comments came from and determine the complainers.

On another note, many managers are in the same (or infact a worse) boat as the rest of us. They’re trying to do make ends meet, pay their bills and grapple with forwarding B.S.

Fall in line or leave. that’s the message.

Bill Jensen April 13, 2009 at 4:16 pm

Mark Hurd doesn’t like people. Even his neighbors from the past have said so. People from NCR believe the man is really about short term money. His interests are first, the company is second, and employees are third. That said, employees are a distant third.

Time for action April 11, 2009 at 9:02 am

http://www.slideshare.net/tmeditor/extreme-inequality-starting-a-strategic-conversation

above slidepack gives a great illustration of what’s gone wrong; the battle that begin’s with HP’s odious CEO must expand – we’ve been sold out spectacularly!

Lion Roar (or meow) April 11, 2009 at 1:08 am

In the sunny city of Singapore, HP folks here have been talking about “opt in” or “opt out” for the 5% pay cut. Most of the guys really want to opt out of this pay cut that would seem to be set up for failure. Some of them with family commitments though unwilling, have not much of a choice but opt in for the fear of being WFR’d. It is almost hilarious to hear management talks of WFR not being linked to opting in or out of the pay cut. Simply put, you opt in, HP can still retrench you. You opt out, well, HP will be also be happy to part ways with you too! Between a rock and a hard place, the choice seem simple, at least to me. Hurd and his HR team could at least come up with a better smoke screen to deceive the employees about this obvious trap, but he didn’t even bother.

I’m glad that I’ve a choice and have decided to opt out. By opting out, I mean as in really out. Out of HP, that is. I was going to say “goodbye” my buddies, but now, I can only say “good luck”. I can’t say if my new job will be any better, but at least, I have a chance at doing something new. Adding more experiences to my resume is always good, I think.

It’s sad to leave my friends and colleagues to fight this apparently loosing battle. I can only wonder when the global economy recovers, how will HP cope with the increasing biz demands. During the boom cycle of the last 2-3 years, it was already difficult to meet customer demands from the delivery perspective. With this round of increased tension between Hurd/EC/senior management and the rest of us, it is almost certain that HP will only emerge weaker although Wall Street may still be impressed with Hurd’s monthly/quarterly miracles performed on the P&L at the employees’ expense.

Just to add to the HP/EDS delivery problems that other HP folks have mentioned at other parts of the world, Singapore is no exception. One of the major govt contracts which was originally won by pre-acquisition EDS, is now entering delivery phase. I’ve heard from several sources that delivery personnel for this major project is being hired (at trying to hire) in droves. Any IT talent who is still marketable outside would really have to be out of his/her mind to join HP/EDS at this point in time. The result? Liabilities to the Singapore govt to deliver an outsourcing project that simply cannot fail. I’m sure glad not to be working (and never shall I) for the local govt. It’ll be funny that 1-2 years down the road, I’ll have problems getting helpdesk support when my laptop/desktop goes BSOD or when my Exchange/Lotus Notes email is totally screwed. If I’m the govt rep in-charge of working with HP/EDS on this project, I’ll scrutinize HP/EDS with daily concalls or better yet, get another job.

It’s a pity that I wasn’t able to join HP during those days when HP was run with the original HP Way in it’s veins. The H(urd’s) P(ainful) Way we have now will no doubt fly the plane to the ground. Obama for HP CEO anyone?

Damian Saunders April 11, 2009 at 2:32 pm

Seems they play the fear card well doesn’t it? But, the one variable is that they can’t WFR everyone, so if everyone, or a significant majority, opts out then there’s nothing to be concerned about is there? Also, the WFR’s will continue anyway, line managers will be pulling their hair out juggling delivery commitments and requirements to submit WFR numbers at short notice.

MIKKY ex-HP April 10, 2009 at 7:32 pm

Couple mounth ago I was discharged from HP (Russia) after three year full time job (no one wish to pay me for overtime job but I and many other my collegues work overtime for idea of customer care). Enough quickly, I’ m able to fine new job (not worth than previous). Of course, I can say: “This is lucky end” but I would like to understand why executives like Mark or Carla Fioriny let paying themself oversalary? Is it really care about business? Or its look like as feast in time plague?

EDS in England April 10, 2009 at 5:49 pm

I have to admit to being quite positive to the EDS aquisition intially as EDS has had its knocks in the past. How wrong I was.

HP senior management do not understand the IT industry, they only understand how to screw people over for a few bucks.

In Marks latest “interview” he admits there is no strategy and there are no guarantees..So there we are a CEO who gets paid $42M+ and he is just winging it day to day.

I note that the key question is still avoided..Will Mark take a bonus this year if awarded one ?

We have two options – unionise or leave.

I know what im going to do.

Soon2bformershareholder April 10, 2009 at 8:46 am

I bailed in ’06 and started my own biz. Sure glad I did. I’m now looking at dumping all my HPQ stock and taking my money elsewhere because this thing is starting to feel a little flimsy.

Mike April 10, 2009 at 4:42 am

I have been at HP 28 years now. I must first apologize to the EDS employees. HP was a great people company and it is a shame you will never get to experience the true HP way.

Now for some reality, the old HP is gone. It is not coming back. We have no leaders that have the courage to stand up. The HP citizens are running on fear and adrenaline right now and are just following orders to survive.

Survival is paying the bills and putting food on our plates. Life at HP has become quite simple, to survive. We have become like the rest of the companies that are manipulated by greedy investors and over-paid executives. In spite of the problems HP will survive. Now quit reading this blog and make HP some more money!

Another P'd off Employee May 7, 2009 at 5:50 am

“..quit reading this blog and make HP some more money!”

Forget it sport, I’m using my self-allocated 5% downtime. Actually more – I’ve factored in the cost of living increases I haven’t received in the last 3 years and am now scheduling myself around 20% active downtime each week. No problem for me if the work doesn’t get done, I don’t interface with clients or do the billing. Instead, I use the time to blog, look for another job, do fun stuff. And I have Mark Hurd to thank for opening my eyes to reality and forcing me to lay back and enjoy the flowers :) ….. it’s fun, try it guys. What are they going to do? WFR you? It’s gonna happen anyhow.

Damian Saunders May 7, 2009 at 9:09 am

He he…that’s the way. Don’t forget that the Mark Hurd’s of this world created the environment where that kind of attitude prevails. They seem to have forgotten that company loyalty is a two way street, and no, it’s not a thing of the past. I used my downtime to make my ‘plan b’ become ‘plan a’ and then left with a nice golden handshake. As far as I’m concerned Mr Hurd gave me the license to do it.

Fly on the wall April 9, 2009 at 4:13 pm

Muttering in the hallway…something about HP asking the gov’t for cost-of-living increases to the contracts…even while HP has CUT the very wages of the contractors these increases were intended for?! The absolute gall! To look gov’t reps in the eye and say they need a cost-of-living increase for the employees working on important contracts…and yet the reps KNOW there are pay cuts! The 5-15% taken from the existing rate and any COL increased funds don’t go into the cost bucket, they go straight to the profit bucket! Isn’t that fraud (as has been pointed out previously in this blog)?!

Damian Saunders April 9, 2009 at 6:00 pm

Is that “uncompromising integrity” in action then?

ex_ibm April 9, 2009 at 12:22 pm

All I see here are stories of how mistreated you feel and how the execs are enriched upon your hard work.
Well, heres a simple lesson.
If you allow yourself to be “screwed” then you will be screwed. Think it’s only HPQ, IBM, GE, CISCO ??????? Not hardly.
I see so much whinning and moaning and complianing that it’s getting to be quite sickening.
You had a choice, you have a choice, yet it seems you would rather lament your position than do anything about it. Blogging will do one thing – it will make you feel good enough to take your licks, move on, then complain again about how badly you were treated. You really make yourselve’s look like lemmings. Following the hind end of another lemming over a cliff.
How would you like to say, ” Management wanted to boot me out the door after training an indian replacement, but I had to tell them no thanks. I have a family to support and I like to live indoors, wear clothes and eat.

Now, I am not just blowing smoke out my ass.
I was born a US citizen, but have lived in what you like to term as an emerging nation. I lived much more comfortably than Americans currently living in tent cities.
Once Americans experience life as corporate America has planned for you ( think chinese) you will be begging a union to take your small dues and save your ass.

I am not affiliated with Alliance at IBM or any other organization of the CWA.
I am however an union member. I have a job. I have a contract. I have benefits than can not be taken away. I can say my salary can not be cut %10.0 while executives take a %.0001 cut in compensation.
Feels good. Wish you were here……………….

Damian Saunders April 9, 2009 at 5:59 pm

Now there’s a call to action.

Tarq April 10, 2009 at 12:08 am

@ ex-IBM.

Respectfully, “whatever dude”.

Some of us are venting in the vain hope that maybe some of this hits home and makes other people think. There’s a small army of us out there tagging every article about HP with this site.

Some of us are fighting for fairness. We’re not fighting about 5%, or bonuses. “whatever”. We simply want fairness.

This isn’t the only action that will be taken. And quiting’s for quiters. We might be complaining and whinning, but we’re simply resisting.

Quitting is hardly action. Staying and fighting… that’s action.

Bravo guys April 11, 2009 at 5:44 am

I say again “Bravo” guys

I have been greatly heartened and reassured by this blog; the above poster is correct – tag this site to every goddamn article posted about HP. I have been very active in this regard but we all need to pull together so go for it! I believe this site is an initial manifestation of a disgusted outrage brewing across the middle and working classes of our country and the world.

“Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it.”

This was a quote by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, used ironically in HP by a superb manager and leader in the days when we shared in the company’s greatness. The time has come for this again, sadly in a different context, but all the more vital nonetheless.

ex_ibm April 15, 2009 at 8:39 am

@ Tarq

Tarq,

I don’t think you really caught the gist of what I was trying to convey.
I never said give up, but to fight back.

The “whatever dude” attitude is not going to improve your position in corporate America. Employees are no longer assets but liabilities.
You are a drain on executive bonuses, unless you are willing to work for chinese wages or for free.

What “action” is being taken other than tagging articles about HP ?
My point about blogging….

Fairness ( I’m not really sure what you mean by “fairness” specifically, but I’ll take that as fairness as to management treating employees equally ) is not going to be handed to you. You need leverage. You need something legally enforceable. Can you not see this ?

Please be more specific and I will be more specific with my response.

Roger HWP Colo 85_01 April 9, 2009 at 11:02 am

The greed that was accelerated by the arrival of Mr. Fiorina has not subsided. I left HP after 16 years shortly after her arrival and have never looked back. Reading this blog makes me confident in my decision.

I am all for free enterprise, but the extent that these executives compensate themselves is pure extortion. Its time for the government to step in and put an end to legalized corporate extortion posting as legitimate executive compensation.

The hand-picked and unimpeachable board is complicit in this crime. The only way to make the board take note is to do what I have done: I have liquidated 100% of my HP shares and I refuse to buy products made by HP (sic) and supported by some guy in Mumbai called Gupta. Invariably I end up talking to Mr. Gupta and never finding a solution because either I can’t understand his English or the problem doesn’t show up in his picture book.

HP INVENT they claim. I’m not sure exactly what HP invents any more. This is a company that makes its money on ink.

Roger HWP Colo 85_01 April 9, 2009 at 11:11 am

Call it embezzlement or call it extortion of shareholders. Different names for the same game.

I_am_out April 20, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Actually, the “HP Invent” is not part of the HP corporate identity as of last month. They quietly took it out. Go figure :-/

Sam April 9, 2009 at 8:30 am

WOW, I can’t believe the amount of responses. The problem we live here in Canada is that for the last 5-7 years salaries have been frozen. Wait, I’m lying, there has been a 1% or 2% increase on the base for some lucky employees. And now a cut, I love my job but I also like paying my bills on time.

loe April 9, 2009 at 6:04 am

this week is the holy week for us catholics.

today i was just watching a documentary on Judas, betraying the people that took him in like a family…for money.

There was Judas, now there is Hurd-as

oh…today there is an email…

[sorry...email deleted for company confidentiality reasons...if you work for HP I assume you got it...DS]

waydownsouth April 8, 2009 at 2:36 pm

This is a pretty good synopsis but it gets better. The global paycut is only applicable in countries where law permits.Rather then leaving it at that, HP has begun conversations with governments in those countries to ask permission to bend the law and enforce the cuts. In some countries HP is currently the largest employer and they are using that clout in almost blackmail fashion to woo governments. These employees are already making wages not suitable to survive as cost of living continues to go up and being paid local currency many are making less on the dollar then they made 2, 3, 4 years ago when they started at HP. This is exploitation as its worse. I have never seen a situation where 1st and even 2nd level managers are struggling to pay rent and car payments and unable to get 2nd jobs due to the 50-60 hour workweeks they put in, all excempt by the way so 0 overtime.

Watching the fire across the river April 8, 2009 at 6:06 pm

I got wind that here in the land of where they try to do Las Vegas of south east asia, there’s this sick rumor going on regarding consent to the voluntary pay cut of 5%. Well, the rumors have it that whoever clicks no, their names will be flagged for the next round of WFR.

Incredible, isn’t it? Some of my pals who are still inside did not dare to click no because of this fear. I wonder what this does to the morale? I believe I don’t have to say much. Go figure.

Where to Go April 9, 2009 at 7:38 am

This is all very difficult for all HP employees.

I urge everyone to ask a few questions: where is it better? Is the grass greener in the unemployment line? Are there companies immune to the recession? If so, please reply with application information.

I can certainly appreciate that some of our CEO’s actions are short-sighted and are indicative of the “do more with less” operative to an EXTREME extent. But let’s be realistic – all companies are facing these issues. Just as many other CEO’s are forced to make difficult decisions, and just as all US Presidents have done, they are in roles where they can never be 100% popular. There is no right answer – though we must understand his role is not just to protect the employees, it is also to protect the company. There is no decision that achieves both in this scenario.

HP’s projections for 2009 pale in comparison to what they achieved in 2008 – to date, there have been no significant cuts in my department. Will there be? Likely. In my case, if territories did well with the amount of coverage in 2008, and we are projected to do much less in 2009 – what’s the alternative? Shall the captain go down with his ship and a happy crew? Doesn’t make much sense to me.

Employees are a most valuable asset to this company – but as with any ship, if there is a cannon that won’t shoot cannon-balls, throw that thing overboard and move on.

Damian Saunders April 9, 2009 at 6:17 pm

All valid points. However, Mark Hurd has been calling for tough actions irrespective of what circumstances the company finds itself in.
During the stellar 2008 year, thousands of HP employees found themselves unemployed, during the years before that thousands more, right now, despite the lie that the pay cuts would save 20,000 jobs, thousands of jobs are disappearing or being moved off shore. You can bet that when we find ourselves in an improved economy he will still be cutting jobs so there will be thousands of ex HP people who can answer your question about whether the grass is greener. I can tell you from personal experience that it is much greener outside – I should probably just shut up and go away – but some things have to be said.
No one disputes that managing a company the size of HP is not an easy task, but I do dispute your statement that you can’t achieve employee protection and company protection at the same time.
You also can’t compare HP with companies that are facing bankruptcy as a result of this recession, remember we’re talking $1.9 billion net profit in 12 weeks, and tens of billions of dollars in cash reserves. We’re only asking for a balance between expedient management, the fair and equitable treatment of employees, and some social accountability. A good CEO would achieve that.
HP’s previous stellar performance came on the back of employee exploitation, moving jobs off shore, and cutting the R&D budget to the extent that it has removed the “invent” from the company.
I would suggest that unless HP achieves sustainable growth through new products, services, and Customer satisfaction, as opposed to cost cutting and employee exploitation, the captain will go down with his ship whether the crew is happy or not.

loe April 12, 2009 at 2:26 am

I guess we can ask the governments where HP is trying to twist the law, to tell Hurd and company to cut about 50% of their bonuses and THEN that mod to the law can be considered.

I am in one of such countries. I just wrote to the presidential office, also send links to this site and also this one wich is the place where mr DS took the information from

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/47217/000104746909000257/a2190057zdef14a.htm#dq19901_fiscal_2008_summary_compensation_table

At least they can get another side of the picture the executives are partially drawing to them

IBMer April 8, 2009 at 10:38 am

IBM employees are going through the same thing. Job cuts, pay cuts and offshoring while the execs get rich. The alliance@IBM CWA also has a call out to you all to organize http://www.allianceibm.org

Damian Saunders April 8, 2009 at 5:31 pm

What are you waiting for?

Brit man April 8, 2009 at 4:36 am

As an EDS UK employee soon to be totally subsumed into the HP TSG group and gone forever (EDS brand name and all i’ll bet), I haven’t had to take a 5% cut and don’t intend to. Sorry but would you US guys not do the same given the chance? and im sorry you didn’t get the choice.
What scares me now is the impending alignment of EDS Job codes to HP codes where will this leave EDS employees? worse off? no doubt, but does anyone know how this will really work. There are a few comments on here about HP having a very low base salary and the rest is flexible?!?!. I don’t know how this will pan out. Perhaps being an EDS Euro worker might protect us again! How did US workers get such a raw deal that they have no worthwhile protection as an employee?
Keep these comments going..through to Q2 results. Lets see what they earn. I’m guessing the results will be good again, good that is for the Execs and shareholders!.

Damian Saunders April 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm

How did US workers get such a raw deal?
I’m not sure but I’m willing to bet that it’s got something to do with the US phobia about social welfare.

Steve April 8, 2009 at 2:11 am

I just wonder when the corporate green will end? How can governments allow companies to exploit their workers like this.

How can they allow huge bonuses to CEOs and other top Exec’s then turn around and allow them to layoff their workforces.

The world is in this recession because all the big corporations only cared about their stock price. What could they do to increase it.

I am not American (Canadian here) but your country was founded basically because of a revolution. I dont understand why more people are up in arms about how your workforce is being dismantled.

I guess most people are happy watching their TV.

Glad I'm out April 8, 2009 at 1:22 am

I jumped with a package at the end of FY08… best thing I ever did. Quotas too high, rewards too low, too many self protecting middle ranking managers. They even put my quota up retrospectively after I’d left to avoid paying out on commissions owed. No entrepreneurship just textbook corporate bullying to try and keep you under. Motivation was ‘be grateful you’ve got a job’ In the end HP just reminded me of the McDonalds of IT, global domination at any cost!!

Glad I am out too April 8, 2009 at 6:10 pm

I am glad I am out too.

The-Greedy-H(urd)P(eople) April 8, 2009 at 12:48 am

It’s all crap by those big guys/gals. Some of us work like hell and being sell of like cheap labours and yet you want reduce our $$$. Bet some lazy ass people and managers just talk crap and bulls and get big fat salary.

If I’m being offered by other company now, I will not look back at H-P and will certainly not recommend H-P.

You hear us, we are now being sell off like cheap labours.
No choice but to work under your command and no life.
Work life balance??? Yeah right, this is for you all managers and top level.

Based on performance??? This is all bullshit from managers, they dont even perform one on one meet up with you. Nothing, maybe they distribute evenly.

Maybe just end my miserable working with you H-P and find a new job.

Damian Saunders April 8, 2009 at 5:26 pm

I think you’ll find that many managers in HP are dealing with the realization that they can only execute orders – the word manager is a bit of an illusion – most of them have no choice but to deal with it the only way they know how. What would you do if your heart told you one thing and your company made you do something quite the opposite? In other words you’re all in the same boat.

Watching the fire across the river April 8, 2009 at 6:02 pm

haha…you actually stroke my old memory. Yes, it is true where we are …our managers does not give a hoot about 1 on 1. The only time, we get to talk about performance is during the FPR reviews. I remember that I seen on some HP intranet that managers are supposed to be doing 1 on 1 once every quarter. Did it happened? Nope. Fat hope.

BTW, I speak from experience…3 managers in 6 years and none does that.

smell the coffee April 7, 2009 at 9:04 am

http://www.toomuchonline.org/inequality.html

above says it all really – Hurd is part of the pack who are increasingly gobbling our lunch since the 70′s, and using their ill-gotten gains to subvert democracy. Time to lobby your local politicians, campaign against this rank inequity, and ram this pay cut up Hurd’s pampered a$$!

Doctor J. April 7, 2009 at 8:46 am

Great WEB site Damian, wish I would have found it earlier. Just for the record, I spent 23 years at HPQ, took the EER offer in May of 2007 and glad I did. It was the third EER offer given to me in 2 years, so I fell it was probably my time to “take the money and run”, and I did just that. Glad I did, happy for the major change in my life and yet sad in some aspects. However, I was really tired of the politics, the greed at even the middle management level, and all their BS. Plus the job I had was extremely difficult in that there were so few of me in the country (Specialist in their Outsourcing Division). I also started to feel very guilty when I won a deal becasue I was helping to ship good US jobs in to foreign countries, and I really got tired of doing that. So, I spent time with the family, learning just who they were again, and it was wonderful.

When HP merged with CPQ to make the new HPQ, Carly basically ousted the majority of the old HP Field Management. I once sat at a diner meeting and around the table there were(12) HPQ resources, including sales, mid level managers and a one regional VP. Then I realized I was the ONLY original HP employee there. Man, I have to tell you, I was really uncomfortable. The CPQ mentality was SO DAM different than HP. They were ruthless, arrogant, and in some cases down right ignorant human beings. But, you have to make do with the job at hand, and I was way to old to change careers at that point in life. So, I kissed a little ass and simply stuck it out until the EER offer came in.

During that period I tried to go from a sales (salary plus commission) pay plan to a consulting role (straight salary plan) and HPQ/s basic attitude was to simply cut out you commission income. They forgot that HP’s original plan took the commission percentage and held it out till you made your quota. The job requirements were exactly the same, just a different title, but it would have meant a $50K pay cut as I rarely was under my annual quota. When I left in May of 2007, I was 143% of quota, but HPQ made me wait 9 months before they would release my last commission check, actually the bonus amount of commission for being so far over quota. Again, very glad I took the EER offer!

Now, let’s get to the other side of the coin. Mark Hurd, bless his soul, is supposed to cut expenses and payroll is a good place to do just that. There was overlap everwhere I turned in our Region of the country, and many deals paid out 5-6 people for a single sale when you comp all the other interested team players and mangers. Really stupid, and even we in the field realized it. The EDS merger will result in more overlap and it’s a normal follow on to cut our the excess in HR, typically 10% to 15% or more depending on the companies that merger. HPQ still makes up a large portion of my stock portfolio, and I expect Mark to do his job, as well as all the other high level executives at HPQ.

B U T:

Paying Mark $42M when the average employee only makes say $75K, well that’s 560 times the average employee’s wages! Heaven help us, that is absolutely WRONG! And, $75K is probably high after so many long time higher paid employees are no longer there and some/many replaced by new hires at much lower pay rates.

Shame on Mark, SHAME ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR AUTHORIZING IT! SHAME on the top tier executives who make up $140M in wages that only take a net pay reduction of less than 1%. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

Shafted April 7, 2009 at 7:04 am

Thanks for a well written article on the state of HP.
Having worked for HP for ten years I have seen it go from bad to worse. We thought Carly was Bad!! Cost cutting has got to the stage that we are not alowed to use or put fuel in the two office fleet cars. After being premoted by two grades 3 years later no pay rises/measly bonusI have taken a demotion in order not to get extra hours to break even.
As for the 2.5% pay cut thankfull it is not leagly enforceable in Ireland and nobody is going to take it lying down even if the company goes bust !

Felice B. April 7, 2009 at 5:28 am

This month marks my 25th year, through acquisition, with HP. HP like so many other companies has proven that it will sell its’ soul for less than a dollar. The back bone, spirit, and soul of every company is her employees. Unfortunately, American employees have become enslaved by a society that prioritizes profits over people; margins over morals, capitolism over conscience, and ultimately GREED over good. I started out with Digital Equipment Corporation and what a sense of family we felt. We felt pride for the company and enjoyed a true sense of accomplishment as we advanced in our careers. I calculated my pension now that HP has stopped paying into that and was floored to find out that mine would be less than my father’s current pension and he retired in 1983. If I work until I am 70 years old, which would be a total of 45 years with the company, I still would get less than that of my father. Just about every benefit I started out with has been stripped. The double digit raises have evolved into an average of about 1% per year. No retirement, a questionable reduced 401K match, no stock options, no employee stock purchase plan, and minimal advancement opportunities within the company. HP has been paying our telecom expenses for teleworkers and that too has been cut out. So in addition to the 5% pay cut, unless we use our personal phone lines and personal DSL, we have to pay for our home telecom expenses. When will it end? Unfortunately I hear of many other companies treating their employees in a similar way. One has to wonder how much suffering will American workers endure before the proverbial line in the sand is drawn. Displacing 25 and 30 year employees in one location to hire college grads in another location and pay them less than the veteran employees, … just for more profits, … And the hideous reality is they have a captive population of employees that are living in a depression. They have us exactly where they want us.

Ann April 7, 2009 at 4:53 am

To Mark Hurd, this economy crisis is his BEST opportunity/excuse to snatch more money from worldwide 300,000 HP employees. As he plans to make HP fails to get his last source of income.

He is cutting salary and retrenching concurrently. Absolute evil and smart way to increase his 2009 bonus. Please learn from him.

Mark Hurd will drain all HP employees money. Destroy the R&D and eliminate any new development. Create smoke screen for investors that they will profit in 2009. Making them walk into the trap of HP an empty shell in 2011.

All the printers and inks manufacturing are moved to only 3 CMs – Foxconn, Jabil and Flextronic. The entire manufactuing HP employees will walk into histoy in 2010.

EDS and TSG services will be reduced to limited employees. Each working on 4-6 projects and can’t able to deliver the product. As HP starts losing business, the share price drops badly.

Once all above is done, Mark Hurd will get billions US$ and he will let HP fails badly because will be an empty company. Then he will ask the Board to pay him hugh amount of money to make him leaves.

In 2012, HP is going to collapse. Share price will only worth US$1.05.

IBM and Canon will raise to the top together.

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